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    Quote Originally Posted by WinglessSeraphim View Post
    Yes because personal responsibility is such a bad thing. Heaven forbid people take responsibility for their actions and stop blaming others for one's own mistakes. I'm not without empathy for OP but shit happens and SE doesn't have any legal or moral obligation to fix the mistake created by OP. If SE ran around fixing all the mistakes people make despite agreeing to the terms and agreements, then they would just have to close up shop.
    At this point I feel you are more upset than I am. I'll survive the 90 days if I have to; will you survive the inconvenience and personal enticement to keep commenting in this thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomoken View Post
    At this point I feel you are more upset than I am. I'll survive the 90 days if I have to; will you survive the inconvenience and personal enticement to keep commenting in this thread?
    My heart aches for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomoken View Post
    My one mistake in a video game makes me less of a mature and responsible adult? Does that mean you spending time being a prick on a random forum board for a game makes you even less of one?

    Makes me wonder how perfect you are outside of this forum post; are you projecting your own failures upon me?
    No, this projecting onto others and calling people names makes your maturity questionable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinglessSeraphim View Post
    ...SE doesn't have any legal or moral obligation to fix the mistake created by OP...
    It's this bit right here that is manipulatively false.
    People have entire parts of their lives, and social circles invested in this game.
    People that if they are separated from ... it hurts.
    Hell people meet and marry IRL through this game. Fme no moral obligation...
    They wait 2 years for the next expansion.
    They wait that long to plan out their hopes and ambitions for it.
    They often have 100s and 100s and 100s invested in getting to that point.
    They may even have travelled across country or even round the world to meet the people they play with.
    It is BAD DESIGN, BROKEN DESIGN, if the game can't protect itself from abuse while allowing mistakes to be corrected.
    The whole mog station is just awful and transfer is NO
    exception.

    Absolutely they have moral Fing obligation, to be compassionate and honour the small cost of addressing this for the real feeling person in question.

    What glib flippant garbage "no moral obligation". There is always a moral consideration, matters of mortality are always about duty. Duty is obligation.

    I have no idea if this is a cultural thing. Perhaps the concept of "Duty of Care" not exist where they are from. It may not, some cultures profoundly scorn social welfare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurgeh View Post
    It's this bit right here that is manipulatively false.
    People have entire parts of their lives, and social circles invested in this game.
    People that if they are separated from ... it hurts.
    Hell people meet and marry IRL through this game. Fme no moral obligation...
    They wait 2 years for the next expansion.
    They wait that long to plan out their hopes and ambitions for it.
    They often have 100s and 100s and 100s invested in getting to that point.
    They may even have travelled across country or even round the world to meet the people they play with.
    It is BAD DESIGN, BROKEN DESIGN, if the game can't protect itself from abuse while allowing mistakes to be corrected.
    The whole mog station is just awful and transfer is NO
    exception.

    Absolutely they have moral Fing obligation, to be compassionate and honour the small cost of addressing this for the real feeling person in question.

    What glib flippant garbage "no moral obligation". There is always a moral consideration, matters of mortality are always about duty. Duty is obligation.

    I have no idea if this is a cultural thing. Perhaps the concept of "Duty of Care" not exist where they are from. It may not, some cultures profoundly scorn social welfare.
    This is ridicolous. If SE had any moral obligation to their customers, it would be fulfilled with them preemptively putting multiple confirmation checks that allow a customer to review their decisions, and stop without any sort of penalty. If the customers cares less about reading thoroughly than SE cared when they put those checks in place, on the customer's head be it.

    But SE has no such moral obligation to anyone because this is a videogame, not a life or death situation for which your duty to care thing would apply, and if a customer has a shittier experience as a result of their own hurried mistakes when SE has already tried everything to prevent it from happening, then the customer will live, and play another game as Yoshi'p always intended, praise Yoshi'p. If this has ruined their second life which is realer then their first life, well then, this was never the way SE intended us to play. If the customer cares about it this much... Then they shouldalso care enough to read the warnings.

    SE does have an obligation though, to themselves, and to us as well: an obligation to not run their resources and manpower ragged running after people asking for take-backsies willy nilly. Do you really think the 90 days cooldown is to prevent market board abuse in a game where we get handed infinite gil forever? It's so people actually put a lot of thought into what they do, which they would stop doing if they always had support at their beck and call.
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    Last edited by Celine_Aurora; 11-07-2024 at 10:07 PM.

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    While I am certain this is frustrating to you, it is entirely your mistake. There are checks and confirmations prior to completing a server transfer that you are required to agree to before it is completed and you failing to read is not a failure on Square Enix's part. It's unfortunate that there's a 3 month timer, if anything it would be great of them to waive the fee and allow you to pay for a second transfer sooner but their policy is likely set to try to prevent malicious action.

    I hope you are more careful in the future.
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    Get a VPN?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FudoMyoo View Post
    Get a VPN?
    You do not need one. You can regularly play on EU servers.



    Cheers
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    If this ever happened to me, I would definitely use it as a learning lesson to always double or triple check everything when making important decisions. Sorry you had to learn through the school of hard knocks, OP
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    It's lovely to see how many humans just don't care, except to make sure that the person takes to heart how much everything is entirely their own fault.
    It's just a shame that karma is nothing more than BS superstition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurgeh View Post
    It's lovely to see how many humans just don't care, except to make sure that the person takes to heart how much everything is entirely their own fault.
    It's just a shame that karma is nothing more than BS superstition.
    One day you will realize that it's people like us who care the most of them all. The world needs more people who help others become mature and responsible adults.
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