Failing to address multiplayer in PVP is a mistake

[Shikiseki]

You can already tell when some "friends" queue up you get always double team targeted to death or they just ignore their enemy-friend, despite them being low on MP and HP...

A full premade 5 vs another premade 5 can work but even that will lose its appeal really fast. You got to remember that most players are not used to PvP or not comfortatble with it at all so I'm actually impressed that any of the modes actually find moderate usage to begin with

[Kisshu]

Something they could have, is a separate queue for teams, but not open all the time. Perhaps it's open in the weekend, and everyone can join it, from solo, duo, trio and up to a 5-man team. And you would still have the normal solo unranked queue.

Keeping it limited in time, would make everyone that wants to play it gather at those times, instead of spreading the players out across the entire week. This could keep the queues go faster and keep the mode active.

[Khryseis_Astra]

I've always said the Casual mode should allow a 5-stack and queue freely against any combination of team. Ranked can be the mode that requires solo-play only.

I’ve always thought it should be the other way around… why have your rank depend on whether you get randomly matched with a good enough team? What exactly is the achievement measured there? Persistence? I’ll give you that one!

But having the ranking based on RNG team comp, rather than your performance by damage done or KOs, kills it for me. I spent the first two series trying to get out of bronze and would get a loss (or string of them) literally every single time I got one star away. Only thing in the game I ever rage quit… I only do casual mode CC now.

[Gurgeh]

It's extremely frustrating SE wont allow multiplayer PVP in CC. They go to lengths to imitate games like overwatch and LOL in their pvp offering and yet all the games they take inspiration from lets players actually play with their friends....

I think this is fine as long as you only match pairs with pairs, light parties with light parties.

As it is I think they should make frontlines participation like Crystal, solo entry only.

You just can't compete with if a coordinated pair.

When you then add that some Modder will (if they haven't already) come up with a mod that backchannel coordinates auto targeting and attacks between two or more players, it would be unworkably devastating.

That said I see no cost to them allowing it. A league for solo entries, a league for pairs, a league for light parties.

[Mistress_Irika]

It's extremely frustrating SE wont allow multiplayer PVP in CC. They go to lengths to imitate games like overwatch and LOL in their pvp offering and yet all the games they take inspiration from lets players actually play with their friends....

This was by design. If you haven't caught on yet there are quite a few people that don't like to deal with premades (see various frontline threads). It would have been nice if there was 2 separate queues for this. However, we're literally left with either playing on your own or finding 9 other people on the spot to play with you. Like getting a group of 7 for raiding is easy...adding fuel to the fire, despite the previous competitive mode being more restrictive than your pve counterpart they did allow duo queue.

I do agree with you though. If this is how things are going to be for the foreseeable future I would at least like better options for our custom games at minimum.

[Derio]

People dont really care. They have not said anything about trophy crystal rewards from old series rewards.

They could create a party only queue option for ranked gameplay where you would only go against another premade party. But that would require too much effort and cut a portion of the pvp playerbase. I think that is the biggest thing. They do not want to cut the already small pvp playerbase by allowing people to queue as a pre made party.

[Ath192]

People dont really care. They have not said anything about trophy crystal rewards from old series rewards.

They could create a party only queue option for ranked gameplay where you would only go against another premade party. But that would require too much effort and cut a portion of the pvp playerbase. I think that is the biggest thing. They do not want to cut the already small pvp playerbase by allowing people to queue as a pre made party.

They are already merging all ranked gameplay into one datacenter as of last PLL, so if they implement NA global/region PVP the numbers wouldn't be an issue.

[Mistress_Irika]

People dont really care. They have not said anything about trophy crystal rewards from old series rewards.

They could create a party only queue option for ranked gameplay where you would only go against another premade party. But that would require too much effort and cut a portion of the pvp playerbase. I think that is the biggest thing. They do not want to cut the already small pvp playerbase by allowing people to queue as a pre made party.

There's already not that many premades to begin with. The only thing that will happen if there's not enough groups for the other queue is that group queue will die, and folks will most likely be forced to solo. Those in the solo queue should really see much of a change if any.

[Volfe]

Premade vs premade would be the only option, otherwise good luck ever queueing solo. A group of coordinated players vs your average casual players queueing on their own would make for the most one sided fights you've ever seen. Fun.

[Ritsugamesh]

This is legit such a frustration of mine. I have 3 friends who would instantly resub if we could duo queue even.

Every competitive esport allows duo q and group play. These are social games. Nobody thinks LoL, DotA, Fortnite, Apex Legends, etc. etc. are not competitive because this whole 'premade instawin' argument is pure garbage.

If a match has a duo pair in, there must be a duo pair in the other team. It is literally that simple! Suddenly, no more balance issues. No need to split queues, the community can't handle it in ranked, just ensure any duo pairs have an equal number on the opposing team. Job done.

It is a 100% player-driven mode that hilariously is the most solo and lonely experience in the game, is that not just maddeningly stupid?

And as a final point regarding competitive integrity. There is already rampant wintrading, hacking, and people jumping into discord to coordinate when matches start anyway. SE don't seem to care about that hurting the competitive environment. They just care about letting you play with your mates.