Is there data on 'which' players 'farmed' DT Extreme while high-end but not Savage?

[Jeeqbit]

what % have achievements public so that we can test for the achievement for clearing M1 savage?

I'm not about to scour through thousands of lodestone profiles for you. The figures came from FFXIVCollect, which is a website people use to either lookup others or lookup themselves to see what they have collected. Usually, this is because they are collectors. Collectors usually have achievements visible, but not always.

of that group how many now have the achievement for clearing M1 savage?

The fact that, consistently, more people have the Savage mounts than the Extreme mounts should say something. The amount of people with the Extreme mounts only seems to get higher once the Extreme trials are "easy" to unsync quickly ie. HW and SB.

As for P, we just cant use that data, both savage and extreme, you can now do it unsynced. So its irrelevant.

Not quite. Just because you can unsync it doesn't mean all of the mechanics are irrelevant yet. Often unsyncing doesn't become common until it's old enough to where the mechanics don't matter. Parties struggle to fill for old content if they have to bother with mechanics.

Obviously unsyncing will have happened to a degree, but ultimately, the statistic on the % that have the savage mount is the same. Even more have the Valigarmanda mount than the one they can unsync for. Which really suggests that a lot of people just see Extremes as a joke as I said.

They could grab some of these old Extreme mounts but they don't even bother, yet they do grab the Savage ones.

how did you get at that data?

The first set of data was from FFXIVCollect. The second set of data was from Lucky Bancho, a JP player who scans the lodestone to figure out the number of active characters and other stats like this. I can't help you with the data because what they do is very complicated, but you can take a look at their latest data

https://luckybancho.ldblog.jp/archives/58771096.html

The most solid data there is the actual clear rates being either around 50% or 33% depending on the world. This is out of people who have the M4 Normal minion. Which should be almost anyone that has done M4 once a week for a few weeks. It's a statistical way of saying the content probably isn't as hard as some people are perceiving it.

[Mawlzy]

Is it, though?

If it is, then most of us are not playing the game.

[Gurgeh]

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Thanks Jeeq. It was always going to be ropey for me to draw any conclusions from the data even if available. Really you need to just analyse number of clears person A has in X and number of clears in y. A mount might single out those rare peolple who do not go onto savage. If they had done, they wouldn't have had time for the mount.
Thanks Jeeq. I might have a look at collect thingy.

[OgruMogru]

Surely more people have the savage mount because it is guaranteed to drop every time as opposed to extremes where you either grind for 99 tokens [and wait for the option to exchange them for a mount] or rely on the miniscule odds of even seeing the mount drop. I do exes enough times to get everyone in the party a weapon coffer and then move on - usually zero mounts even appear in that time.

[Astronis]

(For context, anyone that hasn't beaten M4 Normal is obviously not actually playing the game or didn't beat Dawntrail yet. It's highly unlikely you would be actively playing and not have beat it)

This isn't true. Likely enough that most people who are actively playing and have finished Dawntrail have also beaten M4 (though doing so once only gives them a 1/8 chance of having the minion), but every active player who finished Dawntrail hasn't also beaten M4. Some of those active players are spending all their time playing in the Gold Saucer or decorating houses. People really do overestimate how casual some casual but active players are.

[Jeeqbit]

This isn't true. Likely enough that most people who are actively playing and have finished Dawntrail have also beaten M4 (though doing so once only gives them a 1/8 chance of having the minion), but every active player who finished Dawntrail hasn't also beaten M4. Some of those active players are spending all their time playing in the Gold Saucer or decorating houses. People really do overestimate how casual some casual but active players are.

Either way, they don't seem to "do content" much so wouldn't try Savage even if they are capable of it. The minion drops from savage, too, so a savage player ignoring the normal version is covered.

[tsuchii]

FF logs isn't accurate esp if you don't use it or upload data yourself.
Mine only logged a few clears when I have way way more than what was recorded.

I did the extremes because I collect mounts but I passed on the current savage tier. I honestly think the characters are insufferable. All of them. I don't care for all of them nor the story. The bee lady character is the worst offender. I f&kking hate that character. She's by far the most annoying thing that ever spawned in this game.

[Canadane]

Yes. There is no meaningful content besides savage. Tomestones and "catch up patches" with the 24 man raid are designed to get you easier into savage content.

There is no goal for casual players to achieve. No reason to gear up.

Missing the trees for the forest?
Maybe in this case it's missing the forest for the trees.

[PercibelTheren]

I know it's not hard data but about half my FC and in-game friends. Extremes are much easier to pull off without a static and you can usually carry one to two people who don't really know the fight. Especially in EX2 you literally need 1 person to call the mechanics. We did it that way.

[Mawlzy]

This isn't true. Likely enough that most people who are actively playing and have finished Dawntrail have also beaten M4 (though doing so once only gives them a 1/8 chance of having the minion), but every active player who finished Dawntrail hasn't also beaten M4. Some of those active players are spending all their time playing in the Gold Saucer or decorating houses. People really do overestimate how casual some casual but active players are.

I think it's quite possible that a significant fraction of players that have completed DT have not cleared M4. It's not just a question of them being more interested in decorating houses. There's an entire sub-community that avoids current tier raids, either because they dislike such group content or because they simply have no reason to do so. I suspect this is compounded in DT because the story associated with the raids is so weak.