Permadeath FFXIV is sadly, impossible

[DiabloZweerz]

Today I found out that trying to complete the entirety of FFXIV without dying is impossible, at least according to the game itself.

To start off, the game has a system that helps new players learn features of the game without spamming all the information at once. This system is called the "Active Help" guide. I do not know for sure but I believe it is actually a server sided function as I deleted all my files to test and sure enough the menu stays consistent on a reinstall. There is a section in the guide called "KO" that only appears after the player drops to 0 HP and dies. This is what I based my challenge around, the game had a functional way to validate a player has never died.

My rules of the challenge were to run a new character and try and complete the MSQ without dying, trading with another player, or using the Marketboard. If ever something happened that broke any of my rules, I would delete that character and start again. I thought for sure the challenge would be possible. That was until today when I was forced to die in a solo instance against Lahabrea. I already entertained the thought of forced deaths in the story, but I thought the only time that happened was during the Ultimate fight UCoB. I completely forgot that the developers changed the MSQ fights and included a solo instance against Lahabrea.

This is what happened in that fight:
https://www.twitch.tv/diablozweerz/c...0SZvPJUH0-OGIp

With that, it is impossible to run a permadeath challenge in FFXIV that can be officially authenticated by the game. I thought about buying a MSQ skip and checking if that was possible but it just ruined the original goal of the challenge.

Hmph. Yours was always a vain struggle. - Lahabrea

[Kranel_San]

I think forced death in battles should not count towards the permadeath. If anything, within the context of permadeath, it's actually more immersion!

[DiabloZweerz]

Most of my friends were saying that I should just not count it, but I wanted to attempt the challenge only because of the Active Help feature. If anyone doubted me I could pull it up and prove that I never died.

[VeyaAkemi]

Make it BA/DSR rules, you can't revive by any means, but being restored to 100% HP isn't reviving, thus bypassing the limitation, Hydaelyn merely, uhh... Healer LB3'd you from a distance... somehow... we know she was a WHM, or the Ancient equivalent of one, so sure it counts.

[EchoingPulse]

I share the same thoughts others do. You should not count forced losses because you can do nothing about them. . It's sadly, just part of the overarching story. Now, dying inside of a dungeon because your healer fell asleep at the wheel? Well, GG

[SacraAnima]

I agree as well. These are scripted moments and are unavoidable, I can think of at least two others in the game that you'll have to contend with. Technically you're not even dying, since doing so respawns you in a citystate or resets the duty you were in. This is your run, you make the rules. If you were having fun with it, don't get in your own way.

[DiaDeem]

Scripted Deaths don't count.

Say you're doing a 100% No-Deaths Completion of Elden Ring.
You HAVE to die to St. Trina to get that 100% but it wouldn't and shouldn't count.

[Jeeqbit]

Doing MSQ without dying, using MB or trading is easy. I wouldn't see it as worth a stream challenge or something.

[DiabloZweerz]

Doing MSQ without dying, using MB or trading is easy. I wouldn't see it as worth a stream challenge or something.

I actually agree with you on this, but MSQ was just the first step.

I wanted to do MSQ, then make other goals of doing Savage tiers or even try and do an Ultimate.