The Formula won't change

[Hallarem]

I don't know what the point is to change dungeons when the itemization and stats are lacking as a system. There is no gear to chase, no stats to chase nor test variations with. Even in the glam front a lot of the new dungeon gear tends to be recolors of old gear, or some just blatantly give you only accessories.

Tomestone cap, woooo? Thats the only thing we're chasing really.

[Fatch38]

I don't know what the point is to change dungeons when the itemization and stats are lacking as a system. There is no gear to chase, no stats to chase nor test variations with. Even in the glam front a lot of the new dungeon gear tends to be recolors of old gear, or some just blatantly give you only accessories.

Tomestone cap, woooo? Thats the only thing we're chasing really.

you sir take my thumb. everytime i bring that point you've got a bunch of white knights coming to defend that lazy gamedesign. so take care they'll come with their forks.

[JRosa]

If anything, I feel like there should be more challenging content for small groups of 4.
Like a savage version of 4-player dungeons you can do with your close friends instead of relying to statics that can have a less reliable longevity.

We had these last expansion and almost no one did them. Lmfao

[Moqi]

Tomestone cap, woooo? Thats the only thing we're chasing really.

I mean, yes. Which is why they need to be as streamlined as possible while still having more interesting fight and mobs than now, but very much keep the straight hallway into boss arena design.

More original glamour wouldn't hurt either.

[Arlythe]

We had these last expansion and almost no one did them. Lmfao

No we didn't, we had criterion dungeons.
But it is a concept that can be improved and worked upon so people actually run it.

[Absurdity]

Which era of dungeon design do you like the most and what do you think modern ones are lacking? Sincere question, I always thought dungeons are pretty even all across the board.
I don't remember which patch it was but they modernized a lot of the older dungeons from ARR by removing some things that were confusing or drawing out the length of it, did you like those changes?

The dungeon design in XIV was never amazing, but for the last 3 expansions it has been the exact same copy+pasted formula of 2 trash packs -> wall -> 2 trash packs -> boss -> repeat, with nothing but linear corridors connecting you to the next boss arena.
They're all essentially the same dungeon with the background scenery swapped out. Just look at Grand Cosmos with the big open garden area, but you're somehow still shoehorned into a bunch of corridors by invisible walls.

As clunky as a lot of the ARR dungeons ended up being, at least they were experimenting with different ideas and gimmicks. Boss mechanics have slightly improved in Dawntrail from the tired old "spread/stack, chariot/dynamo, dodge cleaves" song and dance while you whack the boss, but the actual layout between bosses has stayed exactly the same.

If it were up to me I would open the dungeons up a lot more, design the layout like a place people might actually live in, with open areas, alternate paths and optional bosses.
Give those a chance to dop housing items, minions and maybe even rare mounts to incentivize doing the optional ones, but allow people to just rush to the end if all they want is the quick roulette bonus.

For context I still consider Blackrock Depths in vanilla WoW to be the best dungeon ever made, something Blizzard themselves have never quite managed to repeat, but that's partially because they shackled themselves to the mythic+ system so all dungeons need to work with it.

XIV doesn't really have that restriction and if one dungeon takes longer than the others in the pool (for expert as an example) just increase the rewards you get from it, they were already able to do it with Praetorium/Castrum before the rework.

We had these last expansion and almost no one did them. Lmfao

The problems with Criterion are myriad. The extreme jump in difficulty compared to the normal variant version, the arbitrary restrictions on raise, the lack of enticing rewards and, at least for me, the fact that it wasn't really a harder dungeon but a bunch of extreme trial/savage bosses strung together.

[Gurgeh]

The problem is that they're designed as obligatory MSQ gameplay segments first and foremost, and they want the MSQ's difficulty to be tuned for the lowest common denominator. The only optional dungeon is slightly harder, and Yoshida made sure to promise that its difficulty won't be the norm.

But this wasn't always the case was it? Some of those earlier dungeon designs could be challenging. The original aurum was wonderful in it's way.
It just wasn't always like it is now.

Now if they've done it for accessibility reasons I would absolutely adore that. I would happily say if it's a choice between keeping me subbed and keeping MSQ MMO open for accessibility needs, forget about me. But if you want to keep me I'll need more than 3 dungeons every 2 years or whatever it is.
If it's not for accessibility reasons then they have severely underestimated the lowest denominator.

[Moqi]

If it's not for accessibility reasons then they have severely underestimated the lowest denominator.

Given the complaints about the difficulty of Dawntrail's dungeons and solo duties, unfortunately I doubt that's true.

[GrizzlyTank]

There is absolutely no reason for the tome cap even to exist in the first place. So what I want to farm 24/7 and gear all of my roles with BiS that has actually no 'real' value beyond fun and doing the fights using different roles.

How is it different from logging in 1 day/ week vs being active and not logging in after for a time? I would very much like the developer not to treat me like a child who needs their hand constantly being held and told what I am and not allowed to do with my own damn time and money.

Tome cap is ok. However the cap should be raised every week rather than the fomo you have to get x each week.

[Gurgeh]

Tome cap is ok. However the cap should be raised every week rather than the fomo you have to get x each week.

Yeah that's a good point. It was effectively the 450 cap that stopped me trying Savage. When I had a chance to join a group and try it, my main job was already taken.
Why they bother with the cap at all given that only applys to people who already are the only people who actually also have content to keep them there anyway.