(genuinely. not sarcastically) Who is the 24 Man Savage For?

[Gurgeh]

(genuinely not sarcastically)

• Who is the 24 Man Savage For?
• How is preparing for it likely to work?

I've been playing XIV for four years. It was my first MMO, Sastasha and every dungeon made me nervous for about six months (maybe longer) and I never moved in Endgame circles and was in the wrong region for ages, I only just about understand how gearing works now, and my guess is I probably still don't fully understand it. (I'm not one for reddits and out of game resources and stuff.)

So for example if I wanted to consider trying to get involved, this is my starting position:
- I've never done savage.
- I've cleared about 2 Extremes from EW while they were high end, I've cleared the 2 Extremes from DT. But that's for a total of about 10 clears, I don't have a lot of practice. Very little of that was PF experience, mostly friends on voice, making up numbers from PF here and there.
- I've cleared Singularity unreal. Only 2/3 times. Again not PF.
- I'm not an omni crafter. (my crafting isn't even all levelled much less geared.)
- I've got about 15,000,000 gil and that takes me about 6-9 months to amass.
- I don't use any addons that might help me maximise market board potential.
- I've got a full set of Quetzall gear only for my PLD.
- I've got normal raid gear for some other jobs, but I would struggle to be useful even in an Extreme playing those, I could probably get passable with MNK, but not useful in anything more challenging.
- I have been basically obliged to look at my PLD logs [no shade on anyone, we all just thought we were supposed to] and (Singularoty unreal) I'm a grey parser. That may partly have been demands on our healers of our collective party and down time, but I'm not going to be solid blue touching purple any time soon. (although I seem to be about the only tank using raid mites very much I can purple parse healing consistently it seems, not that I'm suggesting that's close to significantly usefull)

What stands between me and Savage 24man being... an option?

(don't worry I'm not optimistic. But I've sort of already written this off before considering it. Which maybe I shouldn't.)

Thanks.

[Sinstrel]

(genuinely not sarcastically)

• Who is the 24 Man Savage For?
• How is preparing for it likely to work?

We probably wont really know until its release but it looks like its going to be in the same vein of an EX/Unreal trial instead of an actual alliance raid. Alliance only in name and party format.

[Gurgeh]

We probably wont really know until its release but it looks like its going to be in the same vein of an EX/Unreal trial instead of an actual alliance raid. Alliance only in name and party format.

Thanks ^^

(love the signature by the way XD , although I like Wuk Lamat, if perhaps not the script)

Well, as long as that's how the gearing works.

I didn't see the live letter (I never really do) , but it seems like they could use all the PR help they can get. i.e. if they have an idea what the prep gearing and audience is for this already (and it seems likely they do have that math stuff roughly worked out) then they could really help themselves by shouting that loud and clear ASAP. The lower down the level this is the better, because its the casual community that's starving.

I heard someone describe this as 'mid-core' content. To me 'mid-core' is well into full on Savage. (Its just not "hard-core" three times a week, four hours, take time of work day 0 prog, clear ASAP)
Of course, if it is actually going to be 'savage' for people dedicated enough to arrange premade PFs of 24 people, then yeah, probably better not draw attention to that.

I'd be interested to hear other peoples guesswork, as it sounds like this is all pretty unknown.

[Stelle]

It's for me c:

To me this sound fun and chaotic and a great excuse to get FC and friends together. Like Bozja with it's 72 player instances? The chaos with so many players and everyone trying to work together is what made it fun to me. I've cleared pretty much every Extreme minus a couple from EW and I've been raiding off and on since ShB. I also do Unreals. As someone who mains healer, healing stuff in Field Operations and Alliances esp when they're new is super fun cuz you gotta stay on your toes to prevent people from dying or a wipe. I also want that mount.

Idk what gearing requirements will be, but I assume it'll get easier overtime as we get better gear like previous extremes and savages therefore becoming more accessible to others who aren't as interested in the challenge. All Savage and Extreme content becomes accessible to casual players eventually via unsync.

According the the LL we got today Yoshi P said,

"We wanted to match Extreme difficulty at first... but I would say the mechanics themselves are like the first floor of savage, but when you consider doing it as 24 people, it might bump up to the level of a second savage floor"

I'm curious what Yoshi P means by the mechs themselves are like the first floor of Savage. Is it because they're harder to learn or because Chaotic Alliance mechs will be about as punishing as first floor savage mechs. If it's just a learning curve then I think the difficulty would be somewhere between mid and hardcore. To me midcore is stuff like Bozja/Eureka aka Field Operations, Extremes, and Unreals. Mistakes and dying are okay, recovery is easier compared to something like savage, and DPS checks are either non-existent or more lenient (esp this expac). If the DPS check for this Chaotic Alliance isn't like a Savage DPS check and the mechs aren't 1 or a few ppl do mech incorrectly therefore we wipe (RIP Thunder God), then I think this this would be accessible to those who are able to learn/clear Extremes. Then for hardcore/savage players that are coordinated and want more of a challenge/DPS check, they can probably que in as a group of 12 (since 12 is the min player requirement) while still having the difficultly that is adjusted for 24 players.

But we'll find out when it comes out! I really wish this wasn't releasing on Christmas Eve though cuz I won't be able to play it then ;_;

[CaptainLagbeard]

I do wonder where the Chaotic Raid will exactly fall in terms of difficulty...

I don't think it would be reasonable to expect 24 people to co-ordinate as well an 8-man group, so it's probably below Savage. But they said it will drop 730 gear, which is on the level Savage gear.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

I do wonder where the Chaotic Raid will exactly fall in terms of difficulty...

I don't think it would be reasonable to expect 24 people to co-ordinate as well an 8-man group, so it's probably below Savage. But they said it will drop 730 gear, which is on the level Savage gear.

They already said higher than extreme but no more difficult than the 2nd raid savage out of the 4.

[Valence]

They already said higher than extreme but no more difficult than the 2nd raid savage out of the 4.

Which doesn't mean much because them saying that extremes are designed to be harder than the first 2 fights of savage tiers, then what? Extreme trials that can usually be cleared in one hour or two, are suddenly harder than P9S limit cut? The infamous P10S? Or like when they said nothing should be as hard or harder than DSR and that TOP would be easier for sure. See how that held up at release...

I do feel they're completely out of touch when it comes to gauging the difficulty of their own game.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Which doesn't mean much because them saying that extremes are designed to be harder than the first 2 fights of savage tiers, then what? Extreme trials that can usually be cleared in one hour or two, are suddenly harder than P9S limit cut? The infamous P10S? Or like when they said nothing should be as hard or harder than DSR and that TOP would be easier for sure. See how that held up at release...

I do feel they're completely out of touch when it comes to gauging the difficulty of their own game.

Thats not what they said. They stated that extremes are easier than the first 2 savage raids this fight is on par with the first two.

[wereotter]

I do wonder where the Chaotic Raid will exactly fall in terms of difficulty...

I don't think it would be reasonable to expect 24 people to co-ordinate as well an 8-man group, so it's probably below Savage. But they said it will drop 730 gear, which is on the level Savage gear.

It's also coming out after the launch of ultimate, in 7.15 so even non savage players will have 730 gear.

Likely this is part of what Yoshida mentioned when he promised that players would be able to have access to more gear, especially since this won't have a weekly lockout. It's probably for people, like me, who are fine with joining in on groups for extreme trials, but who aren't really interested in the time investment for savage/ultimate. Also it could in theory open up additional gear set options for BIS for players who are taking on ultimate if it enables slightly more optimized stats compared to the gear you got from tomes/savage. We'll have to see if this new gear has different substats from the two sets already out.

[AurisNix]

Ngl I found singularity reactor unreal way harder than some savages at least to a dps check point of view (EW and DT), as for your question this 24 man "savage" I wanna believe this is the bridge from EX to Savages which this game really needed desperately this content sits between Savages and Extremes in term of difficulty so it shouldn't be hard to clear instead its encouraged to reclear it multiple times. On a side note if you really wanna try harder content then this tier is your best bet cuz arcadion is a joke compared to previous tiers the mechs are friendly easy to understand and the dps checks inexistent this tier is very friendly for pf.

If you wanna have an idea about it probably Castrum Locus Litore (CLL in Bozja) is a 48 man raid but the last 2 bosses have some mechs that kills bunch of people, Some fates in bozja (24-48 man fates) have some high level of difficulty (Red Chocobo for example) but all that content is intented to be clear by anyone that ques into it. Also the 24 man savage can be done by 12 ppl so that actually means that the mechs are designed around 12 people and the other half can share responsibility so carries are also possible but thats just me we don't actually know.