Bozja is the most fun I've had with this game in a long time

[AmiableApkallu]

I'd also be interested to know where you got that I wanted all the grinding out of FOs? I am pretty sure that the only thing I have always advocated for was to make the base grinding content ENGAGING.

Which would entail what, exactly?

I'll give it to you though that I got completely carried away with this thread, and since this is about people enjoying the content and sharing their experiences, I shouldn't have said anything out of respect.

You're not the only person in this thread to have chimed in with a criticism or two, but "Fates are interesting? This post depresses me more than anything" isn't exactly a constructive, opening salvo.

[BokoToloko]

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At 5.55, getting 20+ people to opt into a duel was as common as winning the Cactpot. Not to mention that, even if that were the case, you would bank the notoriety with ease with the duels you didn't want to do. The pool of people looking to enter the duel was slim by the time Notoriety came in because chances are many of the people looking to duel was after the notes and they eventually found them through RNG.

Golden chests have 50/50 chances of yielding several Offensive Logogramas in Pyros and guaranteed drop in Anemos. Given that Pyros was rarely full and, usually, a substantial part of the players in the instances were after NM for progression/weapon or getting the logs done. No, you wouldn't be fighting with "hundreds" of players. And, since most people would stay around the southern bunny fate, you could simply get a group and go for the northern FATE, far less populated, for even better chances. And given you only needed 6 logograms (3 being Skirmisher) and getting one drop yielded 5-11, you were, more likely that not, set with one chest (or two, if very unlucky). All in all, getting all the Logos Actions unlocked was nowhere as ghastly as you make it out to be.

And if wiping a couple times on the first boss would warrant calling CLL midcore, you might as well include Ivalice and Nier because I sure have seen wipes there too. Again, only the flexible player setup and the holster made the difference between CLL/Dal and a hard enough ARs. Getting new tells for AoE doesn't mean the raid is suddenly any harder than an AR or noticeably any different.

No, I can't take some feedback seriously when the trend is that, whenever a a new Field Operation goes out dead on arrival because, go figures, people figure they do have the daunting task of grinding. And if you truly went through Diadem, Eureka and Bozja, you would know that's literally how it goes with the vast majority Field Operations feedback. There is no credibility to be taken from people who clearly get opinionated at the first sight of grinding then refuse to dive any further or actually understand how it worksso... yeah, it's not really hard to see why they should just not play that kind of content (which is completely optional to begin with, a with most things in FFXIV: anyone can set themselves to do the content they like and leave the rest to the side) when they already abhor it at surface level. So, no, I would rather listen veterans who, unlike the former group, they actually spent the time to go throught the ropes than someone who can equate CE's to a Trial boss but struggles to put CLL and AR in the same group, which hardly instills any confidence on how they've "fully" engaged the content. Even less if they admit to not have actually played a duel yet still feels having a strong opinion on it.

And if my previous experiences with MMO and other games is anything to go by, listening to people who only touches on the basic (your statements don't really give me much assurance on you doing much beyond finishing Dalriada, no), if at all, ends better than just paying attention to what the people who are dedicated to it. But it's clear you won't be convinced, even when I'm having to correct your statements about how things Eureka and Bozja as someone who also played through them. At this point, it's pointless to add any more.

[Supersnow845]

I genuinely have zero problem if people actually don’t like field content. No content is going to appeal to everyone

But when you run between the 3 most common spawning fates in Zadnor zone 3, never use an essence/lost action that isn’t bubble or protect and leave the second you clear dal with zero other engagement in the zone it’s kinda hard to take things seriously because you are functionally doing 1% of the content then judging everything off that

[mana-burner]

The one thing I don't like about Bozja is that it's an instance so you can't grind it while you queue for other stuff. But it's a neat thing by itself. I enjoy.

I think not being able to queue for other content while in Bozja is a good thing because pretty much everything you can queue for through duty finder is boring and bad. Even the "improved" Dawntrail dungeons aren't much better.

Would be nice to have party finder access though.

[Valence]

Which would entail what, exactly?

Engagement. Do people actually like spamming fates?

At 5.55, getting 20+ people to opt into a duel was as common as winning the Cactpot. Not to mention that, even if that were the case, you would bank the notoriety with ease with the duels you didn't want to do. The pool of people looking to enter the duel was slim by the time Notoriety came in because chances are many of the people looking to duel was after the notes and they eventually found them through RNG.

Golden chests have 50/50 chances of yielding several Offensive Logogramas in Pyros and guaranteed drop in Anemos. Given that Pyros was rarely full and, usually, a substantial part of the players in the instances were after NM for progression/weapon or getting the logs done. No, you wouldn't be fighting with "hundreds" of players. And, since most people would stay around the southern bunny fate, you could simply get a group and go for the northern FATE, far less populated, for even better chances. And given you only needed 6 logograms (3 being Skirmisher) and getting one drop yielded 5-11, you were, more likely that not, set with one chest (or two, if very unlucky). All in all, getting all the Logos Actions unlocked was nowhere as ghastly as you make it out to be.

And if wiping a couple times on the first boss would warrant calling CLL midcore, you might as well include Ivalice and Nier because I sure have seen wipes there too. Again, only the flexible player setup and the holster made the difference between CLL/Dal and a hard enough ARs. Getting new tells for AoE doesn't mean the raid is suddenly any harder than an AR or noticeably any different.

No, I can't take some feedback seriously when the trend is that, whenever a a new Field Operation goes out dead on arrival because, go figures, people figure they do have the daunting task of grinding. And if you truly went through Diadem, Eureka and Bozja, you would know that's literally how it goes with the vast majority Field Operations feedback. There is no credibility to be taken from people who clearly get opinionated at the first sight of grinding then refuse to dive any further or actually understand how it worksso... yeah, it's not really hard to see why they should just not play that kind of content (which is completely optional to begin with, a with most things in FFXIV: anyone can set themselves to do the content they like and leave the rest to the side) when they already abhor it at surface level. So, no, I would rather listen veterans who, unlike the former group, they actually spent the time to go throught the ropes than someone who can equate CE's to a Trial boss but struggles to put CLL and AR in the same group, which hardly instills any confidence on how they've "fully" engaged the content. Even less if they admit to not have actually played a duel yet still feels having a strong opinion on it.

And if my previous experiences with MMO and other games is anything to go by, listening to people who only touches on the basic (your statements don't really give me much assurance on you doing much beyond finishing Dalriada, no), if at all, ends better than just paying attention to what the people who are dedicated to it. But it's clear you won't be convinced, even when I'm having to correct your statements about how things Eureka and Bozja as someone who also played through them. At this point, it's pointless to add any more.

Nice series of strawmen. Why do you think I'm against "grinding" or engaging into content, by your definition, in a relatively midcore/hardcore fashion, is beyond me by now, especially since I've stated many times I'm ready to engage into repeatable content if it proves engaging. I literally wrote that I did some duels early on when it was still possible to get in. I've farmed CLL, Delubrum and Dalriada for many runs. I think you're missing the point on purpose, considering the tangents you're ready to get into and the straws you're willing to grasp at instead of addressing the actual points.

Stop misconstruing my experience with frankly batshit takes. I could also make up lies about your own person as a player as I go, but out of base decency I'm not. Why are you doing this? At this point it truly feels like you're butthurt because I just don't have the same experience nor appreciation than you do in spite of actually having played through most of this content (only exception? DRS).

I have gone through it all at release. What your comments make me think is that you actually went through the content after the fact and not at release seeing your own experience on bunny fates and duels. One of us is clearly being delusional or misremembers.

But when you run between the 3 most common spawning fates in Zadnor zone 3, never use an essence/lost action that isn’t bubble or protect and leave the second you clear dal with zero other engagement in the zone it’s kinda hard to take things seriously because you are functionally doing 1% of the content then judging everything off that

I mean, maybe I've missed some fundamental gameplay, who knows? What did I miss? Because I sure did more than what you just described.

[AmiableApkallu]

Engagement. Do people actually like spamming fates?

Yes? I mean, sometimes that's exactly what I'm in the mood for.

Sometimes... I don't want to study up on some fight. I don't want to bang my head against "prog" and "Party Finder" and "Discord." I don't want to resurrect my Ph.D. in "Encounter du Jour."

I just want to do {A Thing} that allows me to make progress towards {Some Other Thing} while {Enjoying a Beverage with Jerolt}.

[VeyaAkemi]

It needs to be stated that as much as "farming FATEs" is brainless, it's also exactly what people want sometimes, sitting around, vibing, shooting the shit in chat, sometimes it's all someone needs after a long day at work, or even during a day off when you just want to get caught up on some podcasts or videos if you have a second monitor, there is a lot of room for chill-yet-time-intensive content.

[Turtledeluxe]

I feel like more people would realize they enjoy Bozja if the team did a better job communicating it in the game. I'm not even sure if Explatory Zones are explained anywhere in game directly as a concept, rather than a Shakespearean odyssey by some NPC.

[Kaurhz]

It was fun until I realized it was just over-glorified FATEs for the core content. Beyond a certain point it just loses its novelty factor and then you see the core of that content for what it is.

After going back in Bozja and Eureka recently for an alt, I must say I enjoy Eureka more... Everything in Bozja just dies too quickly for it to actually be a fun experience. If I'm in Bozja, then the chances are it's because I am multitasking.