Thread: What are your thoughts on 2.0's summoning system?

Originally Posted by Babydoll

Maybe I am misunderstanding you...but in nearly all the FF's party members could summon summons. Rydia, Yuna, in FF7 and 8 the whole PT, in FF12 you could summon it and become to summon. In FF6 you could summon stuff on any character also. The summons weren't that hard to obtain ^^; In FF12 though they were...haha the fights were a pain but a lot of fun!

I don't like the whole "one shot" anything either, that is kind of silly and takes the fun out of bosses and stuff. Is it really worth it to use in PVP too? It would be funny I guess lol but nothing that epic.

FFXI I think they did a good job, at first anyway. They really used to make you work for the avatars...there was only a very small amount of us summoners in 2003 - 2005. I wrote a guide on it back in the day at gamefaqs But then when they made it easier and everyone and their mom leveled it for the wyrms...yeah that is when it felt like it lost its novelty.

I really hope he does add summoner job...I know a lot of people are expecting it and if it does not come out I also will leave...I been waiting for it ._.

The point Yoshi was making is that the summons were rare because there was only one (Ifrit) in every FF world and it was exclusive to the player-controlled party.

FFXI broke this with every Summoner walking around with their own Ifrit. (ie, there were many 'Ifrits' in FFXI) -- and even though the lore kind of explained it, the overall feeling was that the power of Ifrit was diminished by turning him into a breed of pet for people.

Yoshi wants there to be only one Ifrit, and he wants him to be very powerful.

Other lesser summons like Carbuncle and Cait Sith could replicate themselves and be used for a SMN job in this game, but for the big summons, there will be only one version at any given point.

Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

The point Yoshi was making is that the summons were rare because there was only one (Ifrit) in every FF world and it was exclusive to the player-controlled party.

FFXI broke this with every Summoner walking around with their own Ifrit. (ie, there were many 'Ifrits' in FFXI) -- and even though the lore kind of explained it, the overall feeling was that the power of Ifrit was diminished by turning him into a breed of pet for people.

Yoshi wants there to be only one Ifrit, and he wants him to be very powerful.

Other lesser summons like Carbuncle and Cait Sith could replicate themselves and be used for a SMN job in this game, but for the big summons, there will be only one version at any given point.

There where multiple versions of the same summon in VI, the ifrit esper that your party encounters is not the only ifrit in existance in that game, same for shiva and everybody else, atleast on that game, Espers(summons) where more of a clan/race than an individual. As far as XIV i would really like to see the classic summons being part of the summoner class, for that is what has made the summoner class so iconic, i really don see the logic in "Sorry but you know that class that really is above and beyond every other similar class in MMO'S ? as an iconic and really well lored versed class ? yeah we gonna scrap that and just give you random animals as summons"

Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

The point Yoshi was making is that the summons were rare because there was only one (Ifrit) in every FF world and it was exclusive to the player-controlled party.

FFXI broke this with every Summoner walking around with their own Ifrit. (ie, there were many 'Ifrits' in FFXI) -- and even though the lore kind of explained it, the overall feeling was that the power of Ifrit was diminished by turning him into a breed of pet for people.

Yoshi wants there to be only one Ifrit, and he wants him to be very powerful.

Other lesser summons like Carbuncle and Cait Sith could replicate themselves and be used for a SMN job in this game, but for the big summons, there will be only one version at any given point.

I figured out the general idea of what you were saying.

An Ifrit Materia or Esper could be used to summon the essence or the effect of Ifrit but to summon him it is to be expected that you can only do it once at any given time. It gives primal's a life of their own when they are treated as autonomous beings and not elements.

The Summoner should really be called a Channeler as they channel Ifrit like power rather than summon.

Originally Posted by Dubont

How about Channeler (Class) Summoner (Job). Channeler can use the mini-powers of the aeons and such as well as using elementals while Summoner can actually summon the aeons for the big godly burst of destruction as well as being able to summon slightly stronger versions of the elementals? I think that would be awesome.

I like this as well. Plus it's a nice fit with the current class/job system.