Thread: What are your thoughts on 2.0's summoning system?

im excited for this, i agree and disagree with a lot of posts in this thread but i definitely agree that a new direction with the summoner job will be a fresh new start for it. im very interested to see the outcome. i can understand a lot of people being upset because most of the "better" endgame ls will be owning the primals for the most part and more casual players potentially will never be able to experience summoning a primal but thats how the cookie crumbles i guess. it should be fun regardless and almost kinda a cool status symbol for a group that has it.

Originally Posted by laias

im excited for this, i agree and disagree with a lot of posts in this thread but i definitely agree that a new direction with the summoner job will be a fresh new start for it. im very interested to see the outcome. i can understand a lot of people being upset because most of the "better" endgame ls will be owning the primals for the most part and more casual players potentially will never be able to experience summoning a primal but thats how the cookie crumbles i guess. it should be fun regardless and almost kinda a cool status symbol for a group that has it.

Don't get me wrong. Everything you've said is 100% entirely right. But most MMO's tend to try to cater to both hardcore and casual players somehow. Even when FF14 started out, it tried to do it with the fatigue system. The way I see it, if I'm playing a subscription fee I should be able to enjoy as much of the game as someone else who's paying. So why should hardcore players only be able to benefit from this?

And this isn't a single-minded arguement, as since it's summer, I'm on for the majority of the day like most hardcore players. But my initial worry is for casual players, and the community at whole. Why create unneeded tension, drama? The way I see it, it's just going to be a ego stroke for elitists. Thus, my vote in all this is to not touch the primals at all. Leave them the way they are and just use another system. We shouldn't be meddling with beast men gods. :P

I find it interesting that some people agree allowing summoners to summon primals would "cheapen" the experience. However, no one feels that allowing groups of even the most casual players to kill Ifrit dozens of times every hour on each server doesn't "cheapen" the experience...

Regardless, my biggest concern isn't the summoner class. What I'm worried about is the purpose of getting the primal summon for your free company... Either it's just going to be a pointless gimmick that no one will bother with, or you will have to get the summon to beat certain bosses. If it's the case that you need them to beat bosses then it sure is going to be frustrating waiting for your chance to get your hands on one. A really bad idea, kid of like, worst idea ever bad.

Perhaps the summoner job will be a buff/support style class similar to brd, using a weapon such as a hammer or staff to fight.

Originally Posted by TaalAzura

Perhaps the summoner job will be a buff/support style class similar to brd, using a weapon such as a hammer or staff to fight.

Whips! I want to go FF4 summoner style and use a whip!

As many have already said, I'm excited for the system. It is something new and really does justice to these icons that have been in the game for so long. At the same time, I'm also excited to see how the smn as a class/job will work and which summons will be deemed appropriate for them. I can understand where OP is coming from in that having a primal as a requirement for a boss kill would be rather tiring, but I would hope Yoshi P doesn't go that route. Having a primal = easy win? Fine, but don't make it a requirement with the fact that you could go up to 2 weeks without even a shot.

Originally Posted by kazaran

It's a very poor idea. You will have large linkshells (mainly japaneese) over taing control of them and having seekign parties after use time. Or large groups of RMT's controlling them.

It will end up to controlled. It will also result in tension with linkshells, the person gettign last hit controls for the group, setting summon time.

Drops need to be very low in rate in this case, and No tradable/sellable as well if said HNM is defated with a summon.

This is exactly the kind of attitude I'm cautioning against, this being SE, the proof is always in the pudding so you really can't know how a system works until day0. For crying out loud people, we're getting a beta for 2.0 and MMO's are not a new genre, our populace is experienced enough to know from testing a system how exploitable it can be. Stop overreacting to interview answers and wait until we have an opportunity to see this idea in the flesh (so to speak).

If this was something they wanted to spring on us after the beta I'd be speaking caution towards the developers rather than the players, but we have a chance to try this stuff out in a version of the game that can be far easier to modify than the live release. Worrying about something given implied or verbose interview transcripts is fine, but when you start talking about how it will be and how it needs to be you aren't helping anything. What this game needs more than anything is creative ideas, and given the track record I think we all know how SE is capable of correcting for some of their more ill-conceived creative ideas. Don't knock it until you try it, and if it sucks you can help make it better.