What are your thoughts on 2.0's summoning system?

**Mijin** · 08-09-2012 06:14 AM

A lot of people are concerned about how this will effect summoner, as am I. However, my biggest concern isn't how this is going to screw up any potential summoner job, it's the point of this entire system.

Why would anyone go through all of this work to get a summon? That's what I'm worried about more than anything. There has to be some underlying purpose for this whole system, and I'm worried about how stupid its going to be.

Why are people going to go through all the effort to compete to claim/find the instance for a primal, and then do a what sounds like labor intensive activities to charge the "gauge"? Like I mentioned in the OP I can only think of a few possible outcomes and they're all pretty bad.

Originally Posted by sirxcalibur

I hope they actually change summoners around a bit and give them more of an important role in the party.
Such as
Titan=Paladin
Carbuncle=white mage
Ifrit,Shiva,Ramuh,Leviathan=black mage
Garuda=Red mage

The interview with Yoshida pretty much confirms that wont be happening as the primals you mentioned will only be used by Free Companies/Linkshells under very unique conditions.

**XxOstiaxX** · 08-09-2012 06:18 AM

^^ No please no

**Eclipse** · 08-09-2012 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by Maxthunder

Let me say it another way and that is Yoshi is taking too much from other games and not enough from his companies past Final Fantasy series. Also I gave you my answer and my opinion, if you dont like it thats fine but I stand by it and just because others havent stated how they feel dosent mean I am the only 1 who has the same or close to same opinion. Now in the 1st sentence I should have said Final Fanatsy Series thats my error.

I understood what you said, I was simply trying to express that I feel much of the forums agree with you and that a survey may catch their attention. However I also know that there are plenty of trolls out there which can really put someone off to try to express something so clearly. I don't understand why you have taken my statement negatively perhaps you do not feel that the forums would share this idea. I also believe that having such a cut and dry question requesting a cut and dry answer may help spur a response or a look from the Dev. Team. One can hope.

I have only played a few of the FF series and I can tell you I never thought the Primals or Avatars were dummed down or any less beautiful or fantastic as they are in any other story.

I also felt like allowing a player to take part in making a Blood Pact with a Primal or Avatar really made that class special. I also thought being able to call your summon was something special, adding a dynamic to game play, like "Common Carby, lets go on a walk!" It didn't dumb them down it displayed a bond of affection between you and that Avatar.

Think about it Yoshi P.! This is a Final Fantasy, don't stray too far from the path!

**Jennestia** · 08-09-2012 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by XxOstiaxX

Horrible idea, there is not one FF where summoning was hard to Obtain. This notion that they have been cheapened must come from XIII where the summons where godammed transformers and silly stuff like that <.<

Also Garuda is not a goddammed summon, it never was, replace it with alexander or quetzacol and where is shiva ?

You do realize all of the summons we have now had to be introduced at one point in time and all didn't exist from the start, right? Quezacotl appeared in 2 games, just like Garuda, so that pretty much puts him in Garuda territory as "not being a summon" -- Shiva doesn't exist in the terrain we have now so there's your answer.

Also, Quezacotl took the place of Ramuh in FFVIII much like Ixion took the place of Ramuh in FFX.

**Toxsik** · 08-09-2012 09:01 AM

IDK about this one... personally i'd like to see summons the way the were in ffxi but maybe have bigger versions roaming... or other bad ass uber ones roaming... i think the summoner class should have access to the basic summons like ifrit or shiva... 5 or 6 really isn't a big deal to give the class... roaming summons seem like a cool idea as well but also a bit lazy like they don't want to add to many summons because its time consuming or something like that... then have cool ones roam like odin and alexander, there are soooo many summons in the world of final fantasy that they should be able to do this.

ps. basically, no one is going to play a summon class that does not summon.

**Andrien** · 08-09-2012 09:27 AM

Its nothing to get paranoid about in my opinion. I actually like the fact that they want to preserve the primals awesome power with this method.

This is why I'm not worried.
For Grand Company summons. I'm confident that we'll have a few Primal deities,
Ifrit, Shiva, Leviathan, Garuda, Titan, and Ramuh.

Elder Primals:
Alexander, Odin, Bahamut

other summons:
Fenrir, Carby, Typhoon, Diabolos, Quezacotl, Belias, Cerberus, kjata etc etc

**Katamari** · 08-09-2012 10:36 AM

WHy cant we just have those primals be obtained the way yoshi wants and give us a job that summons lesser guys like carbuncle
golem, even shiva and ramuh. Who's to say they will be primals? Fenrir and typhoon? Idk but... Thought this was already talked about already

**Takeshi_Eiketsu** · 08-09-2012 10:41 AM

Terrible...terrible idea...interesting concept...bad for summons

**XxOstiaxX** · 08-09-2012 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Jennestia

You do realize all of the summons we have now had to be introduced at one point in time and all didn't exist from the start, right? Quezacotl appeared in 2 games, just like Garuda, so that pretty much puts him in Garuda territory as "not being a summon" -- Shiva doesn't exist in the terrain we have now so there's your answer.

Also, Quezacotl took the place of Ramuh in FFVIII much like Ixion took the place of Ramuh in FFX.

Ramuh >>>> Gardua, Ixion & Quetzacotl. I want the original summons back, i dont want none of those half assed summons that where introduced later on, Tho! The ones from XII do look badass <.<

And bring SHIVA BACK!

**Mijin** · 08-09-2012 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by XxOstiaxX

Ramuh >>>> Gardua, Ixion & Quetzacotl. I want the original summons back, i dont want none of those half assed summons that where introduced later on, Tho! The ones from XII do look badass <.<

And bring SHIVA BACK!

IIRC he used Shiva as an example for the horrible new primal system.

Edit: Yeah he did:

So one Ifrit, maybe one Shiva maybe one Ramuh, per world.

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