Frontlines is not competitive? No wonder the afk farmers are the true winners. As long is this is the view you'll never be rid of them. I know I harp about everyone only focusing objectives and all. However, if you have a few close games where every team is trying to grab their last 300 points farming objectives isn't that competitive? Like...somewhere within rereading this thread I got lost, and now I'm trying to find my way back to the pack.

Quote Originally Posted by Mawlzy View Post
One can claim, as SeaJae does, that any PvP mode is definitionally competitive. True, but only semantically. I agree with Valence that any practical definition requires all players to actually compete (typically over something meaningful like a ladder ranking).
If I was to take this definition at face value then most of the games that are played are not competitive the moment someone says "go next game" simply because they're not having fun with their current placement at that time. You honestly don't need a ladder in order for things to turn sweaty at the flip of a dime. Things can simply heat up over some small thing that no one should be caring about to begin with. If folks want to compete over the monthly ladder, let them. They're getting their bliss for that moment....honestly, I have no clue why people use the ladder to begin with. It only shows wins but no win rates. You don't get any rewards for being at the top of the ladder. No gil, no temporary titles, nothing. I have to be missing something there. Just saying.