Lazy devs and fatigue

[RinaB]

I've been playing pretty steady since 2018 and my drk is the most geared job I have but I prefer to play rpr or sge...the issue is in struggling picking what to main and then I just don't care. From 90 to 100 the job changes were as safe as you could get and it feels like I'm just doing the same old shit as always. Same routine same daily weekly routine it's a very robotic game...why am I paying a sub for robotic game that doesn't even give me the option to exchange tome gear like queaztalli? It's demoralizing you have to grind all the tome gear again for moths...ridiculous

[RaideDuku]

You're right. You probably shouldn't play this game. Or this genre, really. MMOs are designed to have you play as much as possible. If you're not willing to make that commitment, it isn't the genre for you. I remember back in the EQ days taking literal months to equip even just your main class, let alone if you played alts. If they just handed you gear in the matter of days for every class, you wouldn't keep playing, which means you'll stop paying your sub and/or paying stuff from the RMT store. Best to play single player RPGs that have a definite end so you don't get into the trap of playing something that makes you miserable forever just because of sunken cost fallacy.

As far as 90-100 moves go...that's just a problem with MMOs as they age. After all, there are only so many ways you can hit, get hit, and heal hits before you get to the point where all you can really do is Make Number Bigger. Once a MMO gets to that point, it gets super hard for them to keep abilities interesting. Even venerable MMOs have this problem. Even the vaunted WoW hasn't figured it out (look how long they've relied on "borrowed power" mechanics, and the new "Hero Talents" seem to have been received with a resounding "meh") Again, probably best to just play an RPG that ends, as they generally...well...end, before this gets to be too much of a problem.

[Jeeqbit]

To be fair, the tome grind is a pretty standard sort of thing in the MMO genre. Grinding something to exchange for gear.

Now maybe it doesn't work so well in a time where jobs have been simplified and people need to play multiple jobs to not feel bored, they just didn't update the tomestone system to reflect that yet.

So maybe they can due to feedback like this. I don't think it's that they're lazy so much as they just left a standard thing of MMOs as it is.

(But anyway, my speculation is they still intend to make jobs more unique in 8.0 because they keep mentioning this and since they have been exploring ideas such as Talents, Skill Trees and Ability Points, they could help solve a lot of things with such featues by allowing people to customize how "complex" or "busy" their job is).

[TheMightyMollusk]

Try playing red mage, it's been almost the exact same since it was introduced in Stormblood. We just get a new finisher tacked on to our finishers.

[caffe_macchiato]

I've been playing pretty steady since 2018 and my drk is the most geared job I have but I prefer to play rpr or sge...the issue is in struggling picking what to main and then I just don't care. From 90 to 100 the job changes were as safe as you could get and it feels like I'm just doing the same old shit as always. Same routine same daily weekly routine it's a very robotic game...why am I paying a sub for robotic game that doesn't even give me the option to exchange tome gear like queaztalli? It's demoralizing you have to grind all the tome gear again for moths...ridiculous

I mean, what did you think this was, WoW? Come on, this is Final Fantasy XIV published by Square Enix. You can't expect much. Most people, as visible elsewhere in this thread, don't want more. They don't want a game that respects their time, mainly because treating FFXIV as a game instead of an identity is too much work. Don't ever bother mentioning to them that delves offer free gear for just 15 minutes of your time.

(By the way, as Square Enix recently told me in a dream, saying the word "shit" results in your account being banned. Unlike cheating and hacking, they take that seriously.)

If you're not willing to make that commitment, it isn't the genre for you. I remember back in the EQ days taking literal months to equip even just your main class, let alone if you played alts.

"At least it's better than EverQuest" is my new favorite defense. Last I recall, though, Yoshida was telling people that FFXIV "respected your time". Obviously, we know that Yoshida has a loose relationship with the truth, but I thought people at least believed in his ideas?

[RaideDuku]

"At least it's better than EverQuest" is my new favorite defense. Last I recall, though, Yoshida was telling people that FFXIV "respected your time". Obviously, we know that Yoshida has a loose relationship with the truth, but I thought people at least believed in his ideas?

For an MMO? It absolutely respects your time. Let me make my point clearer. If you don't want a time commitment, don't play a MMO.

[VeyaAkemi]

Yeah reading the post I don't know what you expect OP, gear treadmill is a standard thing in the genre save for a few examples like Guild Wars 2, which also doesn't do level cap increases, save for those few, anything else will have this issue, it's just the nature of the beast, your gear is always going to become outdated and you will always need to grind for new stuff, the only difference is how difficult it is to grind for those new things.

[Awful]

One of the big issues with having alt jobs is that once you're done raid for the week and you either win gear or not then you have tomes, the problem is some jobs just require so much and tome pants are a huge issue. Why are they 825 tomes? Same with Tome chest, you're time gated and just can't gear up jobs fast enough I know it's been an issue for years but with nothing to do but raid or ultis this xpac you can barely upgrade any jobs because we're capped at a measly 450/450 for the week.

Would it be so wrong to make them at 900 when a .1 patch drops? It's just baffling that in this endless sea of nothingness of an xpac I can't gear up jobs fast enough, that's not even including how many twines and shines you need to upgrade said gear, it's a 1-2 punch that's been an issue for so long and i'm just tired of it. I know the weekly alliance raid will help sort of for the weekly turn in for shine/twine, with hunts being the other avenue but I'm really wishing we had more access to 720-725 gear for alts.

[KernCadfan]

I wish we had other ways to better our character in general... but failing that, yet a little bit more generosity with tomes would be nice. It doesn't need to be a huge amount more, but a few more here and there to help pad out the grind for alt jobs would be lovely. That's one of the reasons I haven't bothered with my alts at all. I'm still working on my 720 gear, but I've been playing less and less because i'm just not a huge fan of the experts on offer this time around...

Really wish we had more than two of them, imo...

I can't wait for the alliance raid, I'm going to play the heck out of that.

[LotteYanson]

Do something else in the game?
Eureka or Bozja
Deepdungeon
Crafting / Gathering
Raiding
Theres so much stuff to do, yet you didnt touch it but complain that you have to do allways the same.
The problem is your attitude...