Is it time to Sunset FFXIV?

[PaulusHamsteru]

Well since they can't figure out their own "spaghetti code" as they call it and blame it for every single problem they have, maybe it's time they actually do something about it and start working on a new game.

[Reinha]

Having a free login campaign only 3 months into an expansion did crack me up a lot.

Why aren't players paying to play in the new expansion?

Oh, right. All of a sudden so many people experience natural "burnout" from MMOs this October that it negates the growth of EW and logins are as low as in ShB. What a weird coincidence. Nothing to do with the fresh expansion, of course.

[george357]

well lets start with you don't pay my sub and this whole attack by trolls telling the companty to scrap ffxiv will not happen they need to purge the forums of these nasty trolls and bring order back to the forums.

[Supersnow845]

well lets start with you don't pay my sub and this whole attack by trolls telling the companty to scrap ffxiv will not happen they need to purge the forums of these nasty trolls and bring order back to the forums.

I don’t even want them to sunset FFXIV but “you don’t pay my sub” is such a dumb argument

I can just say “you don’t pay my sub so you don’t have a right to tell me I can’t ask the game to be sunset”

[LittleImp]

A lot of people are finally taking Yoshida's 'play other games' advice, many of whom were mono-gaming XIV for some time, and I've noticed rather than assuaging their burnout it ends up just making them double down and enhances their internal justification for their burnout.

XIV looks so so much worse in comparison when you go play another game that implements better versions of the same systems in XIV that have become so dull, shallow and stagnant.

To be frank, Dawntrail is essentially a carbon copy of Endwalker, despite Endwalker being at times viciously defended by the community. Everyone's focus is suddenly on the games systems and patch schedule because the story of DT wasn't well received and there isn't massive influencer groupthink, and an overwhelming amount of people are finally realizing that a lot of the criticisms that were raised in SHB/Endwalker were right all along. I can't help but feel a little bitter about it, because these issues were pointed out time and time again for the last 5 years, only to be brushed aside by some of the very people who have now joined the chorus. It's interesting the degree to which peoples perception of the story seems to influence their outlook.

Ultimately, the white knights reap what they sow. They defended the worst of this games choices over the years, and now the game they supposedly love is falling off like never before. They're not going to shut the game down or sunset it any time soon, but the degree to which it squandered the one time opportunity that fell into its lap (wow exodus) should be studied.



side note, it's been funny seeing various content creators in this games category forced to get a day job when the category stopped paying.

[Swordsman]

Ultimately, the white knights reap what they sow. They defended the worst of this games choices over the years, and now the game they supposedly love is falling off like never before.

And surprisingly, some are still in a state of denial about this. There are players that will white knight for the multi-billion dollar company till their last breath.

Well since they can't figure out their own "spaghetti code" as they call it and blame it for every single problem they have, maybe it's time they actually do something about it and start working on a new game.

Yeah it would probably work wonders for their intentionally poorly designed netcode too provided they upgrade some of the server architecture along with it.

[Sensui]

Actually, what we're seeing here is the same cycle that has occurred for years, and yes, 4 months after release is plenty of time for a patch lull.

This is only because it is what we can expect from Square. It doesn't make it reasonable.

As consumers, we have been beaten over the head, over the last 10+ years, that releasing games half finished is OK! You can just buy the rest of it later when we release is as a DLC! Layer in more micro transactions, and what used to be a full complete game that you could buy for $49 99 (inflation aside) is now $200 still kinda half baked garbage spread out over 3 years. Looks pretty though. Kinda.

[Hallarem]

I used to be apart of the crowd that said that the "Go play other games" was such a chill approach, and removed pressure from you. Don't get me wrong, its good not to lock you hostage, but an MMO is meant to be played and its job is to keep you engaged because you are paying a SUB FOR IT. You are PAYING MONTHLY for it. If this was a free to play game I would be totally fine with this kind of content. "Just take a break dude, play other games." Not even starting on the lack of QoL, and systems that need polish / updating.

Ah yes, abandon your FC, community and friends that WANT to play the same game and WANT to enjoy content in it? That's single player mentality, and I swear this game is doing it's best to become a single player game instead of arranging things for the community to do together and creating systems that drive people together.


But then I realized it was simply for the reason that this game has barely any if any evergreen content, the gearing is not fun, stats lack any sort of nuance, materia is just for show, the leveling process is not a journey its just a chore of spamming same content over and over. The game is extremely alt unfriendly.

Go play other games = We have nothing of value to offer to you in a long term in our cycles and our systems are flawed and extremely surface level, please go enjoy games that do things better than us instead of us focusing on making our systems better.
The game won't die, it's 2nd only to WoW in numbers and both have their own crowds and some bounce between the two. No other MMO can compete against these. WoW has the gameplay cornered, FFXIV has the visuals and story...ish (Not so promising after EW and DT) and will continue along that path with the graphics being SLOOWLY updated.


I treat the game as it should be, an rp simulator. The gameplay has 0 meaning, the open world has 0 meaning aside from being pretty to look at.

[BabyYoda]

I used to be apart of the crowd that said that the "Go play other games" was such a chill approach, and removed pressure from you. Don't get me wrong, its good not to lock you hostage, but an MMO is meant to be played and its job is to keep you engaged because you are paying a SUB FOR IT. You are PAYING MONTHLY for it. If this was a free to play game I would be totally fine with this kind of content. "Just take a break dude, play other games." Not even starting on the lack of QoL, and systems that need polish / updating.

Ah yes, abandon your FC, community and friends that WANT to play the same game and WANT to enjoy content in it? That's single player mentality, and I swear this game is doing it's best to become a single player game instead of arranging things for the community to do together and creating systems that drive people together.


But then I realized it was simply for the reason that this game has barely any if any evergreen content, the gearing is not fun, stats lack any sort of nuance, materia is just for show, the leveling process is not a journey its just a chore of spamming same content over and over. The game is extremely alt unfriendly.

Go play other games = We have nothing of value to offer to you in a long term in our cycles and our systems are flawed and extremely surface level, please go enjoy games that do things better than us instead of us focusing on making our systems better.
The game won't die, it's 2nd only to WoW in numbers and both have their own crowds and some bounce between the two. No other MMO can compete against these. WoW has the gameplay cornered, FFXIV has the visuals and story...ish (Not so promising after EW and DT) and will continue along that path with the graphics being SLOOWLY updated.


I treat the game as it should be, an rp simulator. The gameplay has 0 meaning, the open world has 0 meaning aside from being pretty to look at.

You actually said it 100%

[Mortex]

That's called burnout my dude.

I would say that if the game has interesting content that is designed for long time value that burnout normally is not that severe. Like it’s kinda ironic wow has too much grind while ff 14 has no good grind. Plus ff 14 is a story game and at the moment has the worst story it ever had ( I would argue even 1.0 had some cool moments while DT makes me go “Huhhhhh ????” In a number of moments. Wuk as a “main character” is just soooo boring and is just a black hole sue that can do nothing wrong and a decent number of strange plot choices and weird pacing on top.

Like I’m just here for the next ultimate and patch atm and stay subbed cause I do weeklies and help at the weekend people in the raids. But other then that I really have nothing fun too do in the game.