Is it time to Sunset FFXIV?

[AnimaAnimus]

That's kind of disingenuous, because most FF games are not like FFXI, in terms of grindy and needing to spend months playing them to get anywhere. Also, Its an entirely different style of gameplay. A lot of XI is sitting around waiting. Its more comparable to EverQuest than modern MMOs. It reminds me a lot of Lineage II, which was also incredibly grindy.

Also, those same devs are the ones that made XIV 1.0 so...

Well of course its not going to be 1:1 with VI or VII, it is an mmo after all and not a single player game, so the grind needs to be there. And it makes sense that it was like EQ since XI is literally an EQ clone, even SE will tell you that. But it's heart is FF through and through and they just added the veneer of an mmo over it. But at it's heart it was a FF game. It was full of tragedy, stakes and flawed characters. They showed us things instead of telling us everything. It had moments of levity, but they expected their audience to be emotionally mature enough to accept what happened instead of making huge moments small and followed by hours of happy bunnies doing silly things. Yes we had to farm 30k alexandrite instead of just beating a single boss for our bis weapon, but thats the mmo veneer. Things have to take time in a game designed for you play for thousands of hours intstead of 30. That doesn't take away from it's world and it's characters being carefully thought out. That content was designed to be engaging and fun and not hindered by the incessant need to do the same thing they did before. Do you think XI would have been successful with every expansion bringing dynamis clones as content while making the old ones obsolete? Or Temple of Uggalepih, Garlaige Citadel, Beadeaux and Quicksand Caves being clones of each other? No, instead they went into it with the same mentality as other FF games and made each location it's own thing. Because it was about creating a story and a world, not following a formula.

As for the same devs that made 1.0, yeah it was. And you know how FF games often tell us that hubris and apathy is always the downfall of the once greats? 1.0 was a real life example of that. XI was an amazing game that was extremely loved by it's community, even today. And most of us that tested it were XI vets and we took time away from that game to test 1.0 for months and were screaming for changes. Internally at SE ppl were screaming for changes. But hubris won out in the end, and we know how that goes. Now history is repeating. A small success caused SE to believe they know better. They ignore everything we tell them, everything we are screaming for them to change or add. Their hubris, apathy and their idea that they can simply rest on their laurels is again the actual big bad of the game.

[missTori]

ugh not jeeq coming to defend on every criticism thread

[PintyMcEars]

Ad Hominem

[CVXIV]

I'm curious to see where they go from here given that we're still in the beginning of Dawntrail
It seems like there are plans for an 8.0 at least

[Aniise]

Honestly, I can see where the feeling comes from.
Never have I felt so tired after a major expansion. And the next big update doesn't bring much content with it that will keep me entertained until 7.2, tbh..
The game feels...kinda sad right now. If you don't have a house or belong to the crowd who only play for RP or 'clubbing'...there isn't much to log on for anymore.
We gotta see how things will evolve, but right now, things look kinda bleak. They have to step up their game or people will be more and more dissatisfied.

[NOODS]

Honestly, I can see where the feeling comes from.
Never have I felt so tired after a major expansion. And the next big update doesn't bring much content with it that will keep me entertained until 7.2, tbh..
The game feels...kinda sad right now. If you don't have a house or belong to the crowd who only play for RP or 'clubbing'...there isn't much to log on for anymore.
We gotta see how things will evolve, but right now, things look kinda bleak. They have to step up their game or people will be more and more dissatisfied.

I guess we just gotta hope Cosmic Exploration and Chaotic Alliance Raids can at least fill the void long enough. CBU3 has a ton of potential in those two so its a matter of time to see whether or not they use them to their fullest.

[TheGrimace]

The game's doing fine, beyond some manageable hiccups.

[AureliusIX]

I feel like the game (Devs, writers, etc..) has painted itself into a corner. Maybe it's time to focus on the next MMO and start over. This one isn't fun anymore and I don't know how we can recover from it. They whole formula that it was built upon is stagnant. The game shouldn't drop to a lull in things to do and play time just in a few months after the release of a major expansion.. the brand is suffering.

I took YoshiP's advice and I've been playing other games as caring for FFXIV and seeing a game I loved fall down into mediocrity very energy draining. To put so much of my time and money into this game for it to be in the state it's in. I'm logging in once a week at the moment for my Savage reclears and that's it. I'm completely caught up with all battle content outside of Ultimates as there was nothing to do that was a big grind in EW, the relic weapon was a Tome exchange and there was no Exploration Zone.
It just makes the game feel so empty that there's no current big content to do and the way the gearing system is, you can't even grind for gear once you've got savage bis you're done for two years. Now the game just seems to be getting even worse and the milking of the monetisation/ cash shops is really grating but that's a whole other thing.
I just can't understand how SE/ C3U allowed this to happen from the high heights and player base numbers during the end of Shadowbringers to Endwalker where the game was the most popular and most played MMO in the world to now where there's this entire feeling of the game on it's last legs throughout a lot of the remaining player base. They dropped the ball big time in what I can only see a decision they took not to make the game the best it could be for Dawntrail but simply push out MVP.

[Hasrat]

Translation: "I don't enjoy the game anymore so they should just shut it down."

[Havenchild]

Translation: "I don't enjoy the game anymore so they should just shut it down."

This. Seriously people somehow don't understand that when a game is just not for you anymore, it's ok to walk away temporarily or permanently. It doesn't mean however the game is dying.

XIV is literally in the top 2 of most popular MMOs on the market and rotates into #1 everytime a good MSQ expansion lands. How is that failing? By what metric should it "sunset" by? Lmao

These forums have a bunch of people that complain about the game but continue to give SE their money while simultaneously saying the game should shut down.

Just quit bro, stop talking, end the para social relationship with the game/ devs etc