Giving up

[WaxSw]

So based on your comment, we can only analyze and accept data that reinforces a negative bias about the game during DT.

We can only accept the only data we have, plain and simple.

What about the fact that DT had the highest raid clear for week 1 of all XIV? Like 3x more?

What about the fact that this tier was so undertuned that even the producer talked about it? maybe, just maybe, an easier tier with low dps checks and lack of body checks makes progression faster. (Also EW first tier was loaded with queue issues that didn't allow many to prog week 1)

Does that not prove that more people not only completed the MSQ within 2 weeks (pre -raid) but also stayed to complete the raid tier?

No because to clear you not only need to stay but also meet the requirements for prog (do the mechanics, meet the dps check), if you lower those requirements of course more people will clear. If you want to see how many people finished the msq, there are titles for that, how many people stay clearing the tier, there are titles for that but so far we don't have any analysis that shows the number of that

You can say more people cleared faster due to an "easier raid" but its way higher than previous "first" tiers

Even Yoshi-P himself commented on this. This tier, was undertuned and there is no denying that.

steamcharts numbers as definitive numbers when a heavy majority of the playerbase is not on the steam platform

I know that XIV white knights are dense but:



Steamcharts data is the only data we have so far, XIV discussion online and the user analysis on different platforms (metacritic, steam...) is all we have to see the reception. Is as simple as that and if it doesn't paint the picture of everything going fine and the game being perfect... I'm sorry but it is what it is.

[WaxSw]

We don't know those things for any period of time, so it's still the best comparison we can make. It's all largely irrelevant, since they're all active players, anyway.
So, wait...using the numbers from Steam is "misusing" them because we don't know certain things about them...so...let's use the Steam data? You literally just claimed it's unreliable, then immediately tried to cite it yourself...

They can be pretty much inactive players (not engage in activities), free trials (so no active for DT), returners (active for a brief period) or new player. Retention means that players come back and we do not know the accounts that are playing which is why I say what I say

Steamcharts is unreliable to show anything but pure, raw, population numbers. If you use them to gauge something like retention you are misusing it.

By the way, your "analysis" here completely ignores the explanation for it - the infamous "WoW Exodus." Look at how the Steam chart skyrocketed in the couple months leading up to EW (when the "Exodus" occurred). That's why DT's population is "lower" right now - because it was artificially inflated during EW at this point in its lifespan.

Yes, but I did not pick the 2 months after xpac release, it was you. The WoW exodus however ended shortly after 6.0 and even now the data shows less/equal population in the last 30 days (or september) than the average during patch lull.

Steam score and metacritic are relatively worthless and easily subject to review bombing. Consider that 2 months into EW, Steam logins had dropped 57% (and EW has a 92% metacritic rating), while DT has only dropped 52% (virtually the same as ShB, which is widely considered the "best" expansion).

You need to buy the product to post a score on steam and someone already took the time to analyze the bad reviews on steam (The analysis). XIV does not show signs of getting review bombed, just having bad reception.

This also goes in line with comments of yoshi-p saying how he expected the players to not like wuk lamat.

I'm very confused why you're asking for a "source" while quoting and using that very source yourself...

Because steamcharts can't be used for retention, yet you used it. I ask for the source because your analysis so far is based on the wrong data.

Didn't you know that's how things work around here? You're only allowed to be negative. Inject rational thoughts or the idea of liking the game at your own risk!

Yes, god forbid we ask for the game to reach its full potential, much better to just accept what it is and defend the multi billion company that doesn't give a f... about us.