Will DRG and PLD still be next to useless in 2.0?

[Mijin]

Edit:

Never mind I was being a negative-nancy, I conceded the argument on page 9. Have a fantastic day.

[Req]

As it currently stands there are only a few niche boss encounters where WAR's are better utilized than PLD, and almost no conceivable situation that Monk is preferred over anything.

Sounds like your ls needs to start thinking outside the box.

[Velhart]

As it currently stands there are only a few niche boss encounters where PLD's are better utilized than WAR, and almost no conceivable situation that DRG is preferred over anything.

DRG's during Princess is beyond awesome, not to mention during Ifrit Extreme and Garuda herself. Again, this is more of a community issue than a developer issue. PLD and DRG technically work in all situations. Are they convenient? That is debatable in some situations, but they are definitely useable. PLD and DRG are designed well, it is just the fights themselves that leave them undesired, but not useless by any means.

[Mijin]

DRG's during Princess is beyond awesome, not to mention during Ifrit Extreme and Garuda herself. Again, this is more of a community issue than a developer issue. PLD and DRG technically work in all situations. Are they convenient? That is debatable in some situations, but they are definitely useable. PLD and DRG are designed well, it is just the fights themselves that leave them undesired, but not useless by any means.

For Princess I like to use BLMs here's a video that can kind of show you why I like this start:
FFXIV : A Relic Reborn - Cutter's Cry (16:10)
Princess Setup
2x War, 1x WHM, 1x BRD. 4x BLM

I haven't done Ifrit Extreme but MNK seems to really rip it up, no DRGs used here:
Ifrit Extreme Defeated

When my LS does Garuda they go with BLMs. I've been hearing on he forums that people sometimes use DRGs but until people mentioned it here in-game this is totally unheard of to me. Here's a video with some people using the same setup my LS uses:
Flawless Garuda Win

I have done nearly everything as dragoon (I haven't tried Ifrit extreme yet)
I dont feel useless (took a little longer on Chimera, but it's no big deal)

Yeah you're right the word "useless" is kind of overdoing it and maybe a little provocative. If I could edit the title I would change it to "Lackluster."

As it currently stands there are only a few niche boss encounters where WAR's are better utilized than PLD, and almost no conceivable situation that Monk is preferred over anything.

Sounds like your ls needs to start thinking outside the box.

That's and edgy opinion you've got there, why don't you explain it in a little more detail so I can see what I'm missing.

[Req]

For Princess I like to use BLMs here's a video that can kind of show you why I like this start:
FFXIV : A Relic Reborn - Cutter's Cry (16:10)
Princess Setup
2x War, 1x WHM, 1x BRD. 4x BLM

I haven't done Ifrit Extreme but MNK seems to really rip it up, no DRGs used here:
Ifrit Extreme Defeated

When my LS does Garuda they go with BLMs. I've been hearing on he forums that people sometimes use DRGs but until people mentioned it here in-game this is totally unheard of to me. Here's a video with some people using the same setup my LS uses:
Flawless Garuda Win

And here is why DRGs can also be used for cutters cry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lY0r...ure=plpp_video Using DRGs up to princess will not only allow princess to be burned down in like 90 seconds but it also allows the bard to save their battle voice for chimaera, giving the entire part double mp refresh for a large portion of the fight. A relic bard would be giving the entire party, including the paladin an insane mp refresh for the entirety of chimaera, making burning it down incredibly simple. Which would you rather have, use your battle voice to burn down an easy boss, or use your battle voice to burn down a boss that can one shot half the party from a distance? It doesnt sacrifice any time, as you can see compared to the video you posted we beat the instance just as fast, WITH someone disconnecting during chimaera.

Using a drg instead of a second warrior is way better for Garuda because you do more damage to garuda herself and it helps get the magic resistant clone down very quickly withotu sacrificing AoE damage for the plumes in the first phase.

As far as ifrit extreme goes, its all about personal preference, the big issue with using monks in it is that you absolutely need a bard or you will run out of mp. With Drg you can add an extra white mage to the battlefield making things easier, and while monk has higher spike damage, dragoons will end up doing 70-80 damage auto attacks once they get to power surge 3, compared to the 30ish a monk would do WITH fists of wind up. I would also like to point out that a monk has to cross class a weaponskill to take one of the horns down because their attacks do not incap either of ifrits horns. That weaponskill is from dragoon no less.

My opinion isn't "Edgy" it is based on experience from doing every instance hundreds of times.

[Mijin]

Wait if BLM = Easy mode wouldn't that insinuate that they make things easier because they're better?

^ This lol.

The only encounter in the game where PLD is better is Moogle Mog. And even that's arguable. PLD is in need of some serious buffs going into 2.0. The main problem with PLD is that it excels at virtually nothing. For almost every situation; WAR is better and deals more damage.

While I agree with a large portion of what you said I have to dissagree with this. I've always found WAR to be superior during moogles, even more so since they droped the TP cost on WW.
The only fights I can think of off hand that matter where PLD seems to be prefered are Ifrit Extreme and 17 min speed run Chimera.

And here is why DRGs can also be used for cutters cry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lY0r...ure=plpp_video

Yeah but it took the people in your DRG video 3 min it takes the people in my BLM video only 2.

Using a drg instead of a second warrior is way better for Garuda because you do more damage to garuda herself and it helps get the magic resistant clone down very quickly withotu sacrificing AoE damage for the plumes in the first phase.

Why bother killing the clones imo, just burn the boss.

My opinion isn't "Edgy" it is based on experience from doing every instance hundreds of times.

I've done them hunderades of times too, based on our XIVpads profiles we seem pretty on par with eachother. So it's not like I'm not equally informed.

[Req]

^ This lol.

While I agree with a large portion of what you said I have to dissagree with this. I've always found WAR to be superior during moogles, even more so since they droped the TP cost on WW.
The only fights I can think of off hand that matter where PLD seems to be prefered are Ifrit Extreme and 17 min speed run Chimera.

Yeah but it took the people in your DRG video 3 min it takes the people in my BLM video only 2.

Why bother killing the clones imo, just burn the boss.

I've done them hunderades of times too, based on our XIVpads profiles we seem pretty on par with eachother. So it's not like I'm not equally informed.

Um, because you have to kill all the clones because they will one shot the party if you don't? And you are kind of missing the big picture. We beat the instance just as fast as the people in your video did, with someone disconnecting. I would also like to point out that our marshall dies only 10 seconds behind the people using the black mage method, and this is one of our slower runs.

[Deathmask]

You mean MNK and DRG right? PLD is still a pretty decent tank and can be used anywhere. MNK and DRG in the other hand are pretty much gimp compared to Black Mage.

90% of the game events you will be asked to go as Black Mage for DD. That proves that something is wrong with this game.

[Xianghua]

You mean MNK and DRG right? PLD is still a pretty decent tank and can be used anywhere. MNK and DRG in the other hand are pretty much gimp compared to Black Mage.

90% of the game events you will be asked to go as Black Mage for DD. That proves that something is wrong with this game.

No that proves something is wrong with this community. Ever Job shines one way or another. Its not that MNK and DRG are gimp, Far from it actually. The problem is most of the community does not have the skill level to play mnk/drg effectively.

[Velhart]

You mean MNK and DRG right? PLD is still a pretty decent tank and can be used anywhere. MNK and DRG in the other hand are pretty much gimp compared to Black Mage.

90% of the game events you will be asked to go as Black Mage for DD. That proves that something is wrong with this game.

BLM isn't more powerful, it is only more convenient. DRG and MNK can easily out damage a BLM as a BLM can out damage them. It really depends on skill and gear who triumphs. So in actuality, all three DPS are pretty balanced. It is the fights themselves that cause the feeling of "not balanced", which isn't even 100% true itself.