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    Carighan Maconar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    Hmm... Yes, I'm sure you're right. I'm sure that's the thing to do. Perhaps FFXIV shouldn't be about uptime and movement. Wait, I've got a better idea! Perhaps we should just make a new Physical Ranged job that's just about playing Tetris. On second thought, perhaps we should make the entire game about playing Tetris. Get Yoshi-p on the line, tell him we're scrapping the current game design. Tell him that we need new jobs and new fights that are all about Tetris.

    Actually, wait a minute. Perhaps we're being too hasty. Don't get Yoshi-p just yet. Perhaps we should consider this for a moment. Maybe, and I'm just throwing suggestions out here, maybe the devs ought to design jobs for the game that we've actually spent the past ten years playing.
    It's funny that you try to /sarcasm this, but actually end up describing the actual design philosophy since Shadowbringers.

    See, what makes FFXIV unique in its fight design and how raid fights feel comparing other games is the "ballet" (or DDR if you prefer) of avoiding abilities. We are focusing the majority of our gameplay on something that isn't dealing damage or tanking or healing.

    It gets better because to augment this effect - that is, focusing gameplay away from output - they also heavily removed the need for performance in the first place by normalizing the few required elements and automating the rest. Tanks all have their 10s invulnerabilities, the only truly important part being checked by fights. Beyond that they tank for themselves, passively, a result of trivial aggro and high passive defenses. Healers all have designed sets of tools for handling burst moments, the only time healing truly becomes an active component. But notable these exist in comparable ways between the different jobs, ultimately mirroring one another. Beyond that, it's all spamming a filler and pushing the odd oGCD button to not interrupt said filler spam.
    And then there's damage. Ah, damage. The most important job, so important that just stacking 4 of the lowest-performing job will still easily clear any content with quite a lot of room to spare. So important that the only element that could make you miss the DPS check, misaligning burst, has been normalized across all even non-DPS jobs to make sure that it's as difficult to screw this up as a player as possible.

    Truly, FFXIV is a game where we're always spending our time soaring to the highest heights of performance. Aye. /s

    I'm sorry, but the fact that what you tried to use as a sarcastic jab is actually true is just funny. xD
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    The core gameplay has been changed already, no matter how hard you're playing ostrich about it. Just perhaps not on the same level for YOUR role. It's easy to talk and dismiss everything rphys players say when everything YOUR role has been about has started sucking up all the space into the game. You can talk all the snark as you want, but the fact remains that you're just talking from a privileged position.

    We could get yoshi on the line to scrap the current game design, after all that's what he did when ShB happened. And we're still talking about rphys jobs in 8.0 right? 8.0 where they're supposed to rework the jobs and whatnot? Not possible changes to the current 7.x model, right?
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    Last edited by Valence; 10-28-2024 at 03:01 AM.

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    Lythia Norvaine
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    I can never follow how your posts relate to what you're quoting.

    This isn't really a question around uniqueness. This game has been in existence for over ten years. You don't have the luxury of changing its core gameplay mantra or its playerbase.

    And if stacking four of the lowest performing jobs is enough to clear any content, then what's stopping you right now?
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    Last edited by Lyth; 10-27-2024 at 08:54 PM.

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    Rui Aii
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    Deadeye (sniper) or Ceossbow (low range, multi-hit type, high crit job (similar to warrior))
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    Quote Originally Posted by BabyYoda View Post
    Deadeye (sniper) or Ceossbow (low range, multi-hit type, high crit job (similar to warrior))
    It is funny how BDO knows what to do while FFXIV still trying to figure it out

    Just check this video:
    https://youtu.be/qeSr_xvttDs?si=OwOFjoKhM92Y-xaI

    BTW check the video date and my post date
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    Malia Tri'el
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    Thinking about gunslinger again, and it too could make an excellent poster job, but like don't do a spaghetti western expansion, do a Dark Tower expansion.
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    It would be interesting if the introduced a a whip or a chain blade as mid-range DPS class, more range than a melee DPS but less then the current phys range dps. Not sure is something like this existed in other FF games or be like the viper and be brand new.
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    Ellisar Loravalur
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    Hi guys, my father works at SE


    Meele: tank with shield and spear inspired by Halone
    Ranged: Corsair


    please look forward to it
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    hope is the first step on the road to disappointment

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    Sana Minatozaki
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    gunslinger type job with dual guns or dual hand crossbows
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    Bran' Bal
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Hey, guys, hear me out:

    Plants.

    That's right: a plant based job!!


    ** Description **

    A job that summon plants from the ground that auto attack any threat on its vicinity. They are rooted on the ground and fade after a while.

    And a creature pet, like an owl, or a sheep (an angry sheep)! Or both, why not? And an spriggan too!
    These pets could be like our old Carbuncle system,

    or, if not possible,

    they could be summoned like the Queen from MCH or the Esteem from DRK, but with a bigger uptime, like 30s with a 90s delay, because our little guys need to rest (such good boys, yes they are!)

    Yeah! A summoner melee ranged job!

    This job could have a scientist vibe, with those lab coats and researcher feel.

    ** Weapon**

    As for the weapon I haven't set my mind myself. This idea is heavily inspired by the Alchemist class from Ragnarok Online, where they usually use axe or dagger and a buckler.

    For FFXIV I think it would make more sense the following:

    Acid Vials

    The character would throw vials containing harmful chemicals

    Or

    Water Gun

    Similarly shooting harmful chemicals on their targets with the toy gun!

    ** Lore suggestion **

    A scientist wants to start a new alchemical research about their new discovery, the rapid growing plants, and wants to open a new laboratory
    After the Warrior of Light doing some tests with the seeds, this scientist is researcher has a new topic: homunculus.
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