You can make everyone happy--- if you actrually try

[Catwho]

I don't think it can be said that I can't articulate what I want. I said exactly what I want, but unlike the quote's assertion, I am not describing a 'completely different game'. I'm describing a version of FFXIV that I think would be 'better' in some way. I can't just go play 'that other game' instead, because it doesn't exist. The closest analogue to the game I 'want', is a previous version of FFXIV that no longer exists, not a different game entirely

I see you've been active in the Healer job forums, which is where I was going to suggest you post stuff like that. So you are doing it right. Carry on.

The biggest problem with the official forums is that most of the complaints are dumped here in General, and not in the specific forums where they are supposed to go. The moderators routinely ignore General unless someone reports a post.

I've a few of had my UI suggestions implemented, so they are passing along stuff from those forum spaces.

But General is treated as a quarantine pit by the mod team.... for good reason.

Edit: It was Supersnow who was active; replied to the wrong quote tree. ARGH. If there's anything I really do wish they would update, it's their forum software. 1998 called and wants its BBS system back. Maybe I should take my own advice and go post in the appropriate forum about that.

[Azurarok]

Your best method of expressing your voice with a company is money. Stop buying their product.

Pokémon Go had a horrible update a few months ago, where they rolled out a graphics update that wasn't ready and most of the gear had been updated using AI (and so was trash.) They unified their skeleton mesh for both male and female avatars, and we joked that they deleted women from the game (it wasn't a joke. They deleted women from the game.)

It was so awful that tons of us just.... stopped playing. I'd been a daily player since 2016. I usually tossed them $20 a month for coins and remote raid passes, because I found gym grinding to be a chore I didn't want to bother with.

And I quit cold turkey.

I wasn't the only one. The backlash against the terrible update was swift and deep. For a lot of players, it was the straw that broke the camel's back.

You're only explaining that you and many others quit. Did that make the devs turn things around? If so, did that bring back those players?

[Jojoya]

You don't know much about people if you think it's possible for a single game to make everyone happy.

If it was possible, some developer would have figured out the magic combination by now and would have a couple of billion people playing their game.

None of your options when it comes to Zenos would have made me happy, as an example. What would have made me happy was Zenos staying dead permanently after he killed himself at the Royal Menagerie. That would have made others very unhappy.

If you enjoy playing a game, then play it. If you don't enjoy playing a game, don't play it. Expecting things to change for your sake is a sure way to end up disappointed.

given what I've seen in the forums I am convinced some people will never be happy

Nah, they're happy. It's the complaining that makes them happy. It's a paradox of life.

[Angeldust]

You don't know much about people if you think it's possible for a single game to make everyone happy.

If it was possible, some developer would have figured out the magic combination by now and would have a couple of billion people playing their game.

None of your options when it comes to Zenos would have made me happy, as an example. What would have made me happy was Zenos staying dead permanently after he killed himself at the Royal Menagerie. That would have made others very unhappy.

If you enjoy playing a game, then play it. If you don't enjoy playing a game, don't play it. Expecting things to change for your sake is a sure way to end up disappointed.

its possible its just very diffucult to do, to please everyone to a reasonable level its rather simple. But lets say you are right in theory care to share something you view as not being able to please everyone, I bet i can design in a paragraph a way to solve that to please all partys within reason.



game makers know the magical cure to please most parties on many topics they choose to not use that magic cure because it means more work and time has to be spent

game developers prefer to simplify things into its either side a group only or side b group only things there are games out there that have please everyone who plays them bg3 for example or diablo 2

which leads to the biggest problem in gaming today game makers dismiss quality for quantity, thinking large number of things matter when it doesnt. It doesn't matter if there are a million things within the game if they are just carbon copys one another. Doesn't matter if there are only 10 things that require massive grinding if the grind is fun and worth the work the quality is higher.

Like many characters say it doesnt matter if there is 1 or 10000 trash they are still trash

[Jojoya]

its possible its just very diffucult to do, to please everyone to a reasonable level its rather simple. But lets say you are right in theory care to share something you view as not being able to please everyone, I bet i can design in a paragraph a way to solve that to please all partys within reason.

Go for it. Good luck. Give us links to all the other gaming forums you post your ideas in that prove everyone has universal praise and happiness for them.

[iVolke]

Nah, they're happy. It's the complaining that makes them happy. It's a paradox of life.

Is there a way to criticize a product without being labeled as complaining?

[Catwho]

Is there a way to criticize a product without being labeled as complaining?

Constructive feedback vs criticism:

- Is it being done with an understanding of the real problem, or is it mistaken in what the cause of the problem is? (The DDoS threads have a lot of this. Square Enix's servers are fine. What SE needs to do is CHANGE ITS DATA CENTER ISP! because they are the ones causing the lag. Yes you, NTT.)
- Is the feedback coming from a place of wanting specific improvements, or simply disliking that something was or was not changed? "My rotation got over simplified" or "My rotation is now too clunky" are valid, but then we had a dozen people saying, "My job plays exactly the same as before and I wanted more changes" - so yeah you can't please anyone.
- Is the feedback done in order to give the person the information they need to make the improvements, or is it being done to hurt them? "I need more engagement in my rotation than just 1 2 3 oGCD" is a constructive criticism. "You guys are stupidheads for dumbing my job down so much" is complaining.
- Is it being given out of respect for the process, including the timelines involved in AAA game development, or is it demanding changes be made immediately? (I admit, I was guilty of this one with the Pokémon Go avatar changes when I demanded immediate reversion. No, I did not get immediate reversion. I did not get any reversion at all. Sigh.)

[Hallarem]

There is no war in Ba Sing Se

[Alice_Rivers]

But that is precisely the balance problem I refered to. Personally I think most of healer jobs are fine in terms of their core functionality and skill priorities, there's room for adjustment here and there, room for more difference of identity and playstyle within the role but they function fine - However there's not nearly enough healing to justify the healing kits, in large part because the prevailing tank design doesn't want healers and in similarly large part because the damage output in content isn't high enough to justify our healing kits on top of tank kits anyway. You look at WAR, PLD and DRK, then you look at DT's dungeons and trials and you see that the dev team either balanced around WAR/PLD without a healer or DRK with a bad healer. A good PLD will do just fine and with a good DRK a bad healer won't be engaged, thus a good healer is asleep in the corner, it's a severe balance problem.

Even tank busters are a joke in DT - The signature tank thing and they don't even have to mit for it. Why have a tank buster if it's a non-threat to the tank it's suppost to "bust"? To top this point off, the exemplar of the disconnect between tanks and everyone else at level 100: The tank buster+stack mechanic. Balance has degraded so far that for a stack to be any threat to a tank it has to wipe the rest of the party, but even then, the two attacks only do a third of everyone's HP if they don't mitigate it. Even that is a joke at this point and then people wonder why the healers are up in arms, now I've typed this out I'm surprised the TANKS aren't up in arms too - I know I would be.

You're right that they've taken much and more from healers, mechanically they've taken just as much from tanks. In the not too distant past they had to position enemies, now the bosses position themselves, that comes at the detriment of melee players too since it makes positionals horrendously frustrating. They had aggro management but now it's just stance and aoe. Interrupts were a fairly regular thing but no longer. DRK by all accounts has just generally been hollowed out and what was once "the dps tank" is now the most balanced in terms of healing and mit but is also often the lowest in damage output of the four while the others were rewarded for their mechanic losses with increased dps and sustain.

Now that I'm on the content design topic thanks to that transition, dps players have not been immune, when was the last time the game had anything like the Doom clear switches in Qarn or World of Darkness? Or the Maths boss in that SB Alliance Raid? I know lots of people complain about it when it comes up but at least it's a break from standard design... I've rambled and written an entire paragraph I didn't plan for so I'ma stop here.

[NanaWiloh]

There is no way to please everyone. Cause there will always be people who are not happy. Its cycle you cant solve or escape from no matther what you think.