Time gating should be stopped

[GartredZW]

I really don't know what everyone's obsession is with getting every job they play to BiS as quick as humanly possible.
I also don't get when people think it's a flaw with the game that it takes a long time to do.
To put it simply, the fact that you don't know whether you'll get that one piece of gear this week makes the gearing more satisfying. This is a tried and tested method for MMOs that's been around since the genre's inception.
Furthermore, Best in Slot is only a requirement for new Ultimates, which release months after the savage patch, and remain relevant forever. As people have mentioned, there are Ultimate prog and clear groups up on PF round the clock for all five fights. I promise you, you won't have any issue getting a FRU group on your fourth class if you get to it an extra month or two down the line.
If you're only going to be doing Savage, then you just need to craft or buy your 710 gear, or do normal raids for tokens if you don't mind the waiting, and you're set. We all did the tier week 1 with that ilvl. If you can't manage with 710, then 730 won't help you much.

Essentially, Best in Slot is an achievement. And we as gamers tend to look down upon those who ask for achievements to be made easier for any reason.

"I need BiS for parsing" says the strawman. To whom I reply: That's not officially supported, and unless you're using a stopwatch for how fast the boss dies, or reading through a long battle log with a calculator, you need to break ToS to do it. Wouldn't recommend.
"Why shouldn't I be able to clear an Ultimate week 1 with seven different jobs" says the strawman. I respond with a question of my own. Why should the loot system be upended entirely for the relatively microscopic percentage of the playerbase who clear Ultimates in multiple jobs when they're current content? It's nearly impossible to tell how many people try each fight, but best data I've been able to find says that less than 1% of players cleared TOP. Not an insignificant number of players by any stretch, but certainly paling in comparison to the average PF savage raider.
And again, you have months of time to gear up your favorites. Maybe not all of them, but that's when you have to pick and choose. That's not a bad thing to specialize a bit. We're all Warriors of Light, but everyone's a bit different. If we're talking about this for the benefit on the player who only bothers to log in right when the Ultimate Patch drops, then I'd first question their foresight and how much they truly know about Ultimates. Next I'd question how many people this truly accounts for, and again, Is it worth upending the whole loot system for?

[Angeldust]

Honestly I disagree, tbh we need more time gating things that are always in the game to be fully honest, we are playing it should be a grind like hell -_-

[CuteBucket]

I really don't know what everyone's obsession is with getting every job they play to BiS as quick as humanly possible.

I don't think a lot of people are actually asking for this. I want to gear ONE other job, maybe two, max, so I can help out with other friend's statics if they need a fill and so I can be more role flexible. I don't need full BiS, but let's be real--weeks in, no one wants to raid with someone with min IL crafted gear if they don't have to. I could be doing a perfect rotation and still be doing way less damage than someone with BiS just cruising because they make item level in this game SO overpowered. Like I said, I don't mind some time gating. It's an MMO, I get it. It's boring and unfulfilling to just be given everything right away. I don't want that. But for an alt unfriendly game that boasts the ability to play all 20+ jobs on a single character, they sure make getting good gear for more than a single job more annoying than it needs to be.

[Raven2014]

I don't think a lot of people are actually asking for this. I want to gear ONE other job, maybe two, max, so I can help out with other friend's statics if they need a fill and so I can be more role flexible. I don't need full BiS, but let's be real--weeks in, no one wants to raid with someone with min IL crafted gear if they don't have to. I could be doing a perfect rotation and still be doing way less damage than someone with BiS just cruising because they make item level in this game SO overpowered. Like I said, I don't mind some time gating. It's an MMO, I get it. It's boring and unfulfilling to just be given everything right away. I don't want that.

These reasons don't seem to make a lot of sense to me.

- Unlike WoW where gears is part of the progression and requirement, FF14 gear is nothing but a bonus.
- If your "friends" is asking for your "help", why they're being picky about your gears? Unless by helping here you mean they're just asking for carried.

But for an alt unfriendly game that boasts the ability to play all 20+ jobs on a single character, they sure make getting good gear for more than a single job more annoying than it needs to be.

Maybe because I had played a lot of MMO, I've realize for myself very early ... and by early I mean 2.0 early that this is more or less is just a marketing gimmick. The only one single advantage it has is you can be fully self-sufficient in term of crafting and gathering. But that's it. there is literally nothing beneficial to level every job on 1 char. For me this is more of sneaky way to condition players into wasting time on leveling the jobs they would never otherwise do, and as such inflate playing time. Me, I play 4 "real" alt. 2 months in and I have 4 job bis out, problem solves. And what does that cost me? Probably a few extra hour per alt at every 3 years to get them through the MSQ the first time, that's it. The benefit of having true alt is immense, and it actually save a massive about of time in the long run. The time people wasted in lvling 20 job on one char instead of lvling just 2-3 job on 2-3 seperated character is so comically inefficient for the perceive benefit.


Look, the game has been out for 10 years, at this point if people still haven't seen pass the Marketing gimmick of "lvling all your job on one char" as one of the worst way to play the game ... I think they are a bit too gullible.

[GartredZW]

But for an alt unfriendly game that boasts the ability to play all 20+ jobs on a single character, they sure make getting good gear for more than a single job more annoying than it needs to be.

Yeah, I can agree there. I wish there was a sort of system to get any class raid ready without needing to wait.
Maybe if you could just use materials you find throughout the world to just create the gear yourself. It wouldn't be on par with the stuff you get from savage, but at least make it a little above normal raid gear. or heck, maybe we could even give gil to other players to make that gear for us.
Too bad that doesn't exist, or it would be way harder to get into the current savage tier on all 21 of my main jobs that I all play and enjoy equally.

seriously though, I still see ilvl 710 parties to this day. I don't even care about what the ilvl is as long as it's set to Weekly Reward Unclaimed. The only thing that makes ilvl matter is giving your group some wiggle room with how many deaths/damage downs you can get away with, or how much of the fight you can skip. At the end of the day, what matters is your mastery of the fight. Relying on raw strength is how you get wipes to Mouser.

[CuteBucket]

The time people wasted in lvling 20 job on one char instead of lvling just 2-3 job on 2-3 seperated character is so comically inefficient for the perceive benefit.


Look, the game has been out for 10 years, at this point if people still haven't seen pass the Marketing gimmick of "lvling all your job on one char" as one of the worst way to play the game ... I think they are a bit too gullible.

Yeah, you're probably right about that. I think I saw it as a plus when I first joined because I'm a very indecisive person, so a game that makes me pick a class right at the start and makes me stick with it or start a whole new character makes me nervous, because I want to try everything to see what I like first. Maybe I'm weird in that I do enjoy leveling all the jobs, but I do so very slowly over months and months. My main has his two main jobs at level 100, and I'm slowly leveling the others when I feel like it. My alt (the one with her picture up right now, I swap between them sometimes) I'm just slowly leveling everything on because my weird autistic brain likes all the numbers being similar.

- Unlike WoW where gears is part of the progression and requirement, FF14 gear is nothing but a bonus.
- If your "friends" is asking for your "help", why they're being picky about your gears? Unless by helping here you mean they're just asking for carried.

My friends don't require me to have BiS by any means. This is probably more a "me" think as I want to feel like I'm contributing enough damage to keep up with them if they asked me to fill a DPS slot, for example. I'm not trying to get big impressive number (don't care tbh), but I want to make sure my theoretical "bad gear" isn't making me a boat anchor either. Perhaps that's just my own worries getting the better of me though.