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    kiotsukete's Avatar
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    Kio Tsukete
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    My bad, maybe it’s because I said I find soloing dungeon bosses as a tank, thus saving my party from a complete wipe, felt heroic and was fun for me. Since this thread was supposed to about what’s fun about tanking. Naturally, what’s fun for one person won’t always be fun for another.

    As someone who only casually plays tank for daily roulettes, yes I do find it fun to be able to imagine myself as a shonen anime hero enacting vengeance on a dungeon boss after it takes out the rest of my team. Because in the past, the healer going down almost always meant a wipe and restart which was not fun, much less a healer dc that often meant a party disband and requeue which was especially not fun as DPS.

    I did also say that I wondered if it was necessarily a good thing for tanks to be so survivable that they don’t need a healer for backup.

    Not sure what the right answer is here, and of course everyone is entitled to give their opinion and feedback. But I think whatever solution SE comes up with won’t be equally fun for everyone and that’s life. Plenty of other great games out there to play.
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    Anjou Maaka
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    Sorry for another long message in your thread, but this guy doesn't get the message.

    It's nothing you've said. He has habitually done this across many threads here, with no new material to speak of. And he seems to have a weird obsesssion with thinking he's an authority figure on tanks without actually playing tank (that's why he's asking to be refuted even though he's already pre-refuted himself with ignorant comments.)

    He saw a warrior go so ham in a dungeon that they looked immortal and decided he doesn't like that. He has no clue that the job balance is centered around raid design, not dungeons. Heck, even in WoW, tanks are able to solo some dungeons, or at least they were at one point. I haven't played since Mists of Pandaria so if anyone who's played more recently can confirm if it's still like that, feel free to do so.

    If he wants tanks to not be able to do that, then he picked the wrong MMO for it.

    I find being able to carry if the healer is bad to be fun. It's a nice way of expressing my skill as a tank. That's why tanks have single target shareable abilities. But I also find the role we play in savage to be fun as well. My static is always thanking me for handing out Oblation and TBN.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnjouMaaka View Post
    Sorry for another long message in your thread, but this guy doesn't get the message.

    It's nothing you've said. He has habitually done this across many threads here, with no new material to speak of. And he seems to have a weird obsesssion with thinking he's an authority figure on tanks without actually playing tank (that's why he's asking to be refuted even though he's already pre-refuted himself with ignorant comments.)

    He saw a warrior go so ham in a dungeon that they looked immortal and decided he doesn't like that. He has no clue that the job balance is centered around raid design, not dungeons. Heck, even in WoW, tanks are able to solo some dungeons, or at least they were at one point. I haven't played since Mists of Pandaria so if anyone who's played more recently can confirm if it's still like that, feel free to do so.

    If he wants tanks to not be able to do that, then he picked the wrong MMO for it.

    I find being able to carry if the healer is bad to be fun. It's a nice way of expressing my skill as a tank. That's why tanks have single target shareable abilities. But I also find the role we play in savage to be fun as well. My static is always thanking me for handing out Oblation and TBN.
    You are arguing with a made up persona of me and you still get things wrong

    I’ve specifically told you I regularly do savage as a PLD, it’s my second class behind SCH when I actually bother to do savage. I have just as much “authority” as you put it as you do to discuss tank issues especially when I’m discussing my problems with tanks from the perspective of why I don’t like playing tank, you’ll know when my grievances as a healer creep in. How many times do I have to tell you that way tanks play in the modern game for me is bad regardless of my opinions as a healer

    Please argue with my points, arguing with a strawman achieves literally nothing. You asked for forgiveness for a long post then posted an absolutely vapid word salad that adds nothing to the conversation. “Oh he’s so bad” “oh he saw x thing I made up in my head once”. Do you ever actually argue points, it’s like pulling teeth with you
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    Last edited by Supersnow845; 10-04-2024 at 10:27 AM.
    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by BabyYoda View Post
    What makes tanking fun for you? not only in FFXIV but tanking in general
    While I'm not exactly a tank main, I have done a lot of different types of content on it. What makes tanking fun for me is:

    1) Controlling the boss and positioning them during major mechanics so the melee can get both uptime and positionals.
    2) Counting autoattacks and mechanics to mitigate the untelegraphed cleave feels really good.
    3) Using my entire toolkit to try and salvage a run gone wrong, like saving the person with 5 vuln stacks by throwing a Cover on them.

    I used to enjoy soloing bosses when my entire team went down back in HW/SB because it was a lot more fun, not really enjoyable to do it now because I know I won't die unless I do something really stupid.
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    Last edited by Aravell; 10-05-2024 at 01:44 AM. Reason: Fixed typo

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    Ixa X'phele
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    Zodiark
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    1. Most versatile role that can do almost all of the content with least dependency on other players
    2. Is possible to share gear with 4 jobs, so can flex within role easily. Also there is far less difference in gameplay between MT and OT than pure/shield healer.
    3. Often has unique mechanics to deal with
    4. Is easier to play as sturdiness makes it forgivable/allows to greed for uptime/just simpler. Good job when you want to focus on content instead of rotation.
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