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  1. #11
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    Carighan's Avatar
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    Carighan Maconar
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    Zodiark
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Yeah, but it's something we absolutely ought to be handling in most fights. Or a variant of it, it's not like other games have no long explored the space of "consistent raid damage output":

    * A simple DoT ticking away constantly.
    * Random attacks hitting 1-3 random people for a non-trivial amount of damage every few seconds (so they need targetted healing lest the next such attack or overall AoE could down them).
    * Similarly, random circle of line AoEs that have no prior warning that hit for a lower but still significant amount, these would force the group to spread apart in idle times plus assuming they would not stop during mechanics they'd add some extra spice onto otherwise fully dependable situations (their damage is of course much lower than the single hits).
    * 360° cleaves where AAs hit everyone but the primary target in melee range, too, but for far less damage. Basically melee DPS need constant healing attention.
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    Kanata Nanaya
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    Tonberry
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    It's hard in prog, where every job is hard.

    It's easy has hell AND boring once you go for reclear, Especially most jobs has heal prep now.

    GCD attack, GCD attack, GCD attack x10, raidwide come after this mechanic? bam, earthly stars, flowers, SGE layered shield thing, fairy buff, one or two OGCD after dmg pop. bam.

    other jobs as the pleasure of managing their CDs, maximizing their damage.
    With healer if you are REALLY REALLY good you get to squeeze in 1-2 same GCD single target spell every once in a while.
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  3. #13
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    Faux Ears
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    Hyperion
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    Healing is only remotely challenging when learning a fight. After that, you're back to pressing your one damage spell waiting for a raidwide to happen 90% of the time.
    How is this any different from dps or tank rotations?
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  4. #14
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Wilford111 View Post
    How is this any different from dps or tank rotations?
    Because a DPS or tank has a full rotation a healer has one button
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  5. #15
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    Audrey Nocturne
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    Seraph
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    Healing is only remotely challenging when learning a fight. After that, you're back to pressing your one damage spell waiting for a raidwide to happen 90% of the time.
    Your static spoils you. Healing is always challenging if you PF, as the average cohealer is more likely to suck than not. And if any readers don't notice this problem... They likely are it.
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    On May 16th 2024, Creative Studio III made the decision to terminate the existence of non-standard Black Mage. The impact of this decision on the job's population will be negligible.

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    Zakuyia Shizyuie
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    Zalera
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    Dancer Lv 100
    So if your not doing ex - ultimate content healing is easy. Its easy in normal raids alliance wut not. Once you get to higher content healing becomes much harder. The need to communicate, manage gcds, understanding shields, over healing, when to play safe. It becomes way more technical in higher end content.
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    You open the door theres nothing in sight. You close the door wondering whats in sight. But lets be honest its probably gonna just let you down.

  7. #17
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    That sounds more like 'frustrating' than 'challenging' when the only factor that bars you from a pleasant run is 'how stupid my cohealer is/whoever presses the mits in the party'.

    Most of things becomes moot when one plays it safe by choosing to pump out 1 or 2 safety GCD heals to account for these types of players instead of casting Glaroilficosis, which only needs a pair of watchful eyes, something that a healer is normally already accustomed to. So again, where's the challenge to that?
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  8. #18
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Cactuar
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    I agree that feeling compelled to pre-shield all of the heavy raidwides in savage because I can't rely on my random party to be using their own abilities is not adding meaningful engagement to an encounter.

    Ideally, the encounter should force them to do that instead of getting complacent and allowing the burden of survival to be shouldered mostly by the shield healer.
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  9. #19
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by bp_isa_ff View Post
    Your static spoils you. Healing is always challenging if you PF, as the average cohealer is more likely to suck than not. And if any readers don't notice this problem... They likely are it.
    The co-healer is rarely the sole issue, it's mitigation from randoms in general. Since pretty much every mechanic is a mit check more than a healing check and randoms in PF aren't exactly known for using their mitigations in the first place.

    Having a Reprisal + Feint + Addle + something like Shake or Holos on almost every AoE or having absolutely nothing reducing the damage is what makes the big difference.
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  10. #20
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    Gunsa Cabalabob
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    Sargatanas
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Let me see if I have this straight.

    You did savage, the hardest content in the game bar ultimates/criterion.

    on a job you don’t normally play, on a role that isn’t your main.

    Late at night while tired.

    AND you cleared?

    And this is your argument to show that healing isn’t easy?
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    Last edited by Cabalabob; 10-14-2024 at 10:38 PM.
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    You could make a game where all you did was run through fields of flowers holding hands and you'd still get a guy telling you you're doing it wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mcshiggs View Post
    Everyone knows you skip through fields of flowers holding hands, running noobs need to go back to WoW.

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