Out of touch? PLL

[AyumiCosplayGlam]

These nevertheless still count as casual activities whether you agree or not
These do not requires same amount of effort as Savage content
The number of casual actives clearly out number challenge activities
It has been over 10 years and they finally gives 24 men Savage a go
Just one patch there is no casual PVE don’t mean this game is not heavily design for casuals

The thing is, the state FF14 is at the moment they cannot afford to make a patch that dosn't give casuals something that keeps them occupied.Not when a patch takes like 5 months to make nowadays.
- Making a few hours worth of MSQ and Hildibrand+ a new dungeon that may or may not have a glam at all that is not a recolor is not enough.
- Custom Deliveries? It takes like 10 minutes at best on a weekly basis.
- Beast Tribes? Yay another 10 minute endeavor on a daily basis.
- Alliance Raid? 20minutes weekly because for some reason in 2024 they still think its a good idea to have 1 gear/week loot restriction on it. Not to mention what if a player dosn't care about FF11? At least with Endwalker alliance raid as easy as it was, it had a story that was interesting and it was connected to FF14. This is just Nier all over again. The story most likely be that we take the Goblet of Failure, travel to the coincidentally 11th shard and beat up a bad guy for being bad, sprinkle a bunch of memberberries and thats it.

You cannot expect players to be satisfied with this much, its awful by default and timegating isn't exactly helping. I would gear up my alt jobs but guess what, tomestone cap.
It would not be so bad if most players didnt had to use up their backlogs at first during covid and then during Endwalker, but they had to.
The content is dry for years now at this point. Anyone who wanted something from older content most likely already got it and they are not going to collect some random old relic they dont want or aim for necromancer, just to have a goal.

[Zakuyia]

Hmm maybe I'm some of the few who are hype for new savage and ex content. I love challenges and I'm enjoying the savage content. Currently on m3s as a first time savage raider. So I have to say. I'm fine with the content plus they showed the new delivery quest and housing change. Plus this is still only 7.1 you still got like couple months and a year till it's done we move to 8.0 ,also he never gonna call out wuk lamat va better for him to call us out than call out a member of the LGBT and receive hate from Twitter and some ppl from ff14 forum.

[Supersnow845]

Irrespective of your view of wuk lamat’s VA if you spout transphobia then you get called out for it

You aren’t a victim for being called out for being phobic to any group. Seriously get over yourself and let people live their lives

[Dante131]

i dont get it. Why are we even arguing. Its the job of the company we pay for to deliver this stuff. I know there are some people in here who think no one should raise their voice i guess this specific person know that i talk to her, but in a healthy relationship you should talk. Instead of arguing against somebody you should listen. I cant think of any reason why a big company like SE cant do both contents in the same patch tbh. its 4,5 months patch cycle you really wanna tell me thats not enough to work out something interesting for casuals and raider ? why does always one side have to be preffered. Btw Majong is not that easy in my sight wouldnt call it casual. I think old outdated content is not casual content its outdated. what in kupos name shall a casual do with an old relic? @AyumiCosplayGlam was right time gating is not helpful either. So what now do we argue like children "the others have more then me" or can we talk like adults about problems which really exists ? No interesting events, no long term content, timegateing, zero alt friendliness, achievement points are useless, lack of new glam which actually looks good ( and not like i am in a fetish club ) and if we get content then dont be light hearted like with Eureka orthos. Let me make this clear, yes we had casual stuff in EW a lot of them BUT not real good one. Island Sanctury was fine for people who cared and even there people started to blame people who invest time into it. EO was not a topic after one week. If you tell someone who is frustrated with the game and search for casual content to do, to fck off and do old bs, then you can expact people to be angry. Remember when you been a child and your parents told you to play with your 8 year old toys cause you dont get a PlayStation ? same thing here with the diffrence of beeing able to leave. This will happen if we shut casuals so please dont do this...

[Voidmage]

Given that the playerbase cried because In the cold and the Wuk Lamat fight was too difficult, there is a reason casual content is braindead.

I would love to have more difficult casual content, but a vast majority of the playerbase still can't even play their job at level 100. Tanks not mitigating, healers still spamming cure 1 and dps who can't even press their basic combo 1-2-3.

Lets be real, there is unreal and extreme trials but that would require some effort on their part. Most people in this thread want more braindead casual content, not difficulty.

What an assumption.
You conflate casual players with those who don’t want to play at all.
It isn’t the casual playerbase that doesn’t know how to play their job.
The casual players are those who just don’t mind to not optimize their class.

The people in this thread want more lasting content they don’t have to use PF and can just jump into like field content.

You just try to present casual players as bad players in your arguments.

[Banriikku]

Out of touch PLL ? Yes because the whole thing is marketing. It is not even cummincation. It is simply a tool to hype and sell. That is ok but this is all we get after DT problems, DDOS and many complaints on all fronts ?

[Daralii]

Out of touch PLL ? Yes because the whole thing is marketing. It is not even cummincation. It is simply a tool to hype and sell. That is ok but this is all we get after DT problems, DDOS and many complaints on all fronts ?

They probably have everything up to 7.3 nearly finalized at this point with how their development pipeline works, so they can't easily pivot even if they wanted to, and apologetics(and therefore admitting the product has issues) is bad for a marketing presentation at a big industry event unless it's to set up that what they're trying to sell is fixing those issues. I expect nothing from them, especially after Yoshida said that DT's reception is what he expected.

[AureliusIX]

Out of touch PLL ? Yes because the whole thing is marketing. It is not even cummincation. It is simply a tool to hype and sell. That is ok but this is all we get after DT problems, DDOS and many complaints on all fronts ?

I think back to the origins of the PLL and the philosophy behind it was for open communication between the dev team and players, Yoshida himself mentions this on the NoClip documentary of FF14 the fall and rise. You can go back to old archive even on this forum of the devs keeping us informed of what's going on but now I think they're so detached from the player base for whatever reason. This latest PLL just felt, as others have said marketing but who to? It didn't reassure people who were begging for casual content, I don't want to go over it again too much as the topic has been talked over to death and back, but they should have said a small thing about the story even if it was "we heard your feedback and we're listening" I think we all understand they're not going to do a deep dive into what went wrong with Dawntrail's MSQ and characters people aren't that naïve we're looking for just a hint of reassurance the devs understand people are frustrated with the stale content, the same repetitive beats over and over that they're aware of the reaction to the MSQ.
Let's not beat around the bush here, the MSQ is a major part of Final Fantasy 14 it's the foundation for the entire game the glue that connects everything together even if you're a pure raider or glam player and skip the entire MSQ there are many, many times more people who play for just the MSQ and those people you can poach to try and convince to play other content if the MSQ is done well. It's what happened in Shadowbringers and Endwalker, people loved the stories and stuck around to do Eureka, Bojza going back over old raids or watching people on streams playthrough the MSQ.
All of this is to say, a simple acknowledgement would have gone a long way in a lot of people's minds for reassurance.

[Stasya]

- Custom Deliveries? It takes like 10 minutes at best on a weekly basis.

These feel so useless because you can level up every crafter/gatherer very fast even if you are turbo casual. So you get to see bits of a quest you will forget about in a couple of weeks. Amazing content.

[AyumiCosplayGlam]

These feel so useless because you can level up every crafter/gatherer very fast even if you are turbo casual. So you get to see bits of a quest you will forget about in a couple of weeks. Amazing content.

Tell me about it, i already have every combat and crafter/gatherer job at 100. Cant wait until they release Beast Tribes and custom deliveries so i can level my jobs faster. Oh wait.

This is a problem FF14 has in general. By the time they release an easier alternative to the grind, its always timegated and way too late.

-Dungeon Gear and Alliance gear? Lets put it like 15 Item level lower than whatever most people have. It will work flawlessly, lets make sure that the dungeon gear is also not dyeable and just a recolor from Heavensward for extra happiness. Oh people gonna love it running it like 25 times a month because Extreme Roulettes are so diverse.
-Beast Tribe for leveling? Lets put it in the game 1 - 1.5 years after the release of an expansion when even little Timmy with 1 hour a day playtime is already on 100 with every job for almost a month.
-Beast Tribes for crafters/gatherers? How about 5-10 months of waiting beforehand, cant go too fast dont wanna remove the joy of leveling via crafting and handing in the same items to an npc.
-Relic weapon? Lets make it so that its 5 item level lower than the tomestone weapon for the entirety of the expansion except the last patch where its 5 IL higher so you must go through all of it.

Properly rewarding time and effort? Pfft, whats that? Lets put Honey B. Lovely as a store mount, put an obviously short hairstyle that we conveniently picked as a winner from 50 long hairstlye from a competition, an orchestrion scroll with a remix of dawntrail battle theme song version 3.2, a pink Llama mount and materia for a savage difficulty content.
Normal mode? Are you serious? Take that weekly drop and sit in Limsa so low level players dont feel alone, or play some mahjong, now with extra voicelines smile.