Out of touch? PLL

[Vyrerus]

For me, personally, I could see this as a very enjoyable update... If the FFXI 24 man doesn't take a steaming dump on FFXI as a whole.

But also if the "Chaos" raids bring enough of my friends online that we do them together. A common problem that drove quite a number of folks away from XIV in the early days was the fact that raids were reduced to 8 man endeavors, compared to FFXI where you often had 18 man content for a long time (a common complaint about modern XI is that everything is 6 man, so there's no room for newbies).

So quite a number of my friend groups got broken up by XIV's raiding design such that by the time Final Coil was a thing, hardly any of them had stuck around, basically due to not being able to get in on clears with any regularity.

But the "Chaos" raids will have to have good gear rewards. There's also the wonder of if they'll be on current content iLvl or earlier. Afterall, Cloud of Darkness comes from a level 50 24 man. If it's just a 24 man trial... idk, seem kind pointless to me. Also seems like it won't have a worthwhile reward.

As far as MSQ goes, I don't give a single care about it. Oooh, some glass walls~ oohh wooh~ They've never done glass walls that break in a dungeon before...

Oh wait, yes they have. At least half a dozen times.

[DynnDiablos]

One thing I find interesting is the mindset by many hardcore/raider content players is the pure disdain for the casual playerbase, when the foundation of this game and its success is thanks to the casuals. This whole "casuals are ruining the game" mentality is going to be real neat to see put into practice when many of us who have played for over a decade peace out. Let's truly see what happens to FFXIV if Yoshi P and team truly go all in on hard content and catering to the small (yet vocal) hardcore playerbase. I think you are going to find it very lonely by 8.0.

FFXIV still exists today because of the long history of casual content and players. You should be THANKING us for still putting up with the BS and sticking around even though the content is shifting to where the game is obviously no longer being developed for us. Of course, players who love hard content will gaslight and say, "It's your own resistance to hard content that is making the game unappealing." Well, no. I don't play this game to be frustrated or stressed and to play hard stuff. I play it for the story and experiences outside of extremes, savages, etc. So, if a bulk of the new content is going to be that...I am being left out by what is being developed.

Apparently, us casuals, should just quit, or shut up and be happy with doing an alliance raid weekly and our dailies until spring and the handful of MSQ quests that will take an hour less. Well, let's see how many of us put up with it. The very player base some of you complain about and hate, may be the very ones that keep your game afloat so you have your super hard experiences to enjoy.

[Miki_L]

One thing I find interesting is the mindset by many hardcore/raider content players is the pure disdain for the casual playerbase, when the foundation of this game and its success is thanks to the casuals. This whole "casuals are ruining the game" mentality is going to be real neat to see put into practice when many of us who have played for over a decade peace out. Let's truly see what happens to FFXIV if Yoshi P and team truly go all in on hard content and catering to the small (yet vocal) hardcore playerbase. I think you are going to find it very lonely by 8.0.

FFXIV still exists today because of the long history of casual content and players. You should be THANKING us for still putting up with the BS and sticking around even though the content is shifting to where the game is obviously no longer being developed for us. Of course, players who love hard content will gaslight and say, "It's your own resistance to hard content that is making the game unappealing." Well, no. I don't play this game to be frustrated or stressed and to play hard stuff. I play it for the story and experiences outside of extremes, savages, etc. So, if a bulk of the new content is going to be that...I am being left out by what is being developed.

Apparently, us casuals, should just quit, or shut up and be happy with doing an alliance raid weekly and our dailies until spring and the handful of MSQ quests that will take an hour less. Well, let's see how many of us put up with it. The very player base some of you complain about and hate, may be the very ones that keep your game afloat so you have your super hard experiences to enjoy.

You're complaining that raiders somehow made the casual content more boring? The casual content became more boring because casuals put in zero effort. The raiders were the first to claim this and then lo and behold a few expansions later the casual opinion caught up and they realized that they want to actually play a fun game. Raiders are getting more content tailored to them because they actually give feedback, something casuals have not done. They just worshipped the developers and it took a shitty MSQ to change their opinion.

[DynnDiablos]

You're complaining that raiders somehow made the casual content more boring? The casual content became more boring because casuals put in zero effort. The raiders were the first to claim this and then lo and behold a few expansions later the casual opinion caught up and they realized that they want to actually play a fun game. Raiders are getting more content tailored to them because they actually give feedback, something casuals have not done. They just worshipped the developers and it took a shitty MSQ to change their opinion.

Spoken like a true "raider." You all think you really are the saviors of this game. Well, let's see how that continues as they develop content that a majority of the playerbase won't touch. It's amazing how deluded you all are thinking what you want to play is all that matters. And I love how you assume to know me and act like I've just loved everything that this game has spit out. I've been very vocal about my dislike for casual content diversity (or lack thereof). Now enjoy doing your hard content with the 1% or less of the playerbase that's interested. Chaos Alliance will be dead in in weeks once its relegated to discord groups.

[Dante131]

Spoken like a true "raider." You all think you really are the saviors of this game. Well, let's see how that continues as they develop content that a majority of the playerbase won't touch. It's amazing how deluded you all are thinking what you want to play is all that matters. And I love how you assume to know me and act like I've just loved everything that this game has spit out. I've been very vocal about my dislike for casual content diversity (or lack thereof). Now enjoy doing your hard content with the 1% or less of the playerbase that's interested. Chaos Alliance will be dead in in weeks once its relegated to discord groups.

funfact i enjoy raiding but my first comment after the PLL was like. Cool patch for raider bad for casuals not all raider think they are the reason why the game is alive thankfully.

[Havenchild]

You're complaining that raiders somehow made the casual content more boring? The casual content became more boring because casuals put in zero effort. The raiders were the first to claim this and then lo and behold a few expansions later the casual opinion caught up and they realized that they want to actually play a fun game. Raiders are getting more content tailored to them because they actually give feedback, something casuals have not done. They just worshipped the developers and it took a shitty MSQ to change their opinion.

Spoken like a true "raider." You all think you really are the saviors of this game. Well, let's see how that continues as they develop content that a majority of the playerbase won't touch. It's amazing how deluded you all are thinking what you want to play is all that matters. And I love how you assume to know me and act like I've just loved everything that this game has spit out. I've been very vocal about my dislike for casual content diversity (or lack thereof). Now enjoy doing your hard content with the 1% or less of the playerbase that's interested. Chaos Alliance will be dead in in weeks once its relegated to discord groups.

The duality of the XIV forums playerbase.

[PercibelTheren]

You're complaining that raiders somehow made the casual content more boring? The casual content became more boring because casuals put in zero effort. The raiders were the first to claim this and then lo and behold a few expansions later the casual opinion caught up and they realized that they want to actually play a fun game. Raiders are getting more content tailored to them because they actually give feedback, something casuals have not done. They just worshipped the developers and it took a shitty MSQ to change their opinion.

To be fair, when casual players try to give feedback, they invariably get shouted down with nonsense like "you don't do Expert/Savage/Ultimate, therefore you don't understand the game and should have no say in it." Like it or not, casuals are the bulk of EVERY playerbase. Without them, this game wouldn't do well. I think it's quite reasonable to try to keep them happy.

Personally, I'm a midcore player. I like Extremes, Bozja, some of the lower floor Savage fights, Unreal and deep dungeons. I'm getting a lot of stuff to do. Casual players are getting an ally raid they can clear in 30 minutes every week and then...what, exactly?

[AyumiCosplayGlam]

Its so sad honestly to see people still invalidating casuals opinions.
As someone who has been in MMO-s since 2007, i saw this happen many times.
Elitism kills MMO-s and basicly every multiplayer game in general, every single time.
The more the devs cater towards the hardcore aspect of a game, the more casuals will be dissatisfied and leave.
The game becomes unapproachable for new players and it becomes a closed ever shrinking group of the same people.

Have no illusions, the casuals are the lifeblood of every single online game, even the sweatiest games imaginable is kept alive by the casuals.
They are the ones who buy the cosmetics, not the world first raiders.
The minute they are gone, is the beginning of the end. No amount of Savage or Ultimate Raid is going to keep the game alive at that point.

Coincidentally, the ones who are trying to invalidate the casuals concerns almost everytime think that its just about skill.
What if said player just not interested in stressing themselves out? I have multiple server first kills in other mmo-s and have led weekly scoreboards whenever i wanted to participate.
Because of that, i know for a fact, that i can engage in any content any game throws at me if i want to and do well.
The thing is however, you will eventually reach a point in your gaming life when you realize you dont have to prove anything to anyone and you are not a noob for playing a mode that dosn't stress you out needlessly with insanely high damage or turning the enemies into "bullet sponges".
Figuring out a mechanic is fun regardless how much damage it does and how long does it take to make the boss even cast it.

I would argue anyone any time of the day, that an ultimate or savage raid would be just as fun to do, if the boss damage numbers are tuned down and not everything is borderline unrecoverable if you did it wrong.
The spectacle is the same, its still fun to try and do the mechanic as correctly as possible, but if not, who cares, you still learn, you still get have fun, get kills and loot and eventually you learn to do it flawlessly.

And the sad thing is that i bet some people are triggered by the mere thought of such a mode existing for hardcore fights, fearing that it invalidates their kills because they learned it the proper way or something.

[Stasya]

the casuals are the lifeblood of every single online game

If i had to recommend mmo for casual person, my choices would be WoW or just play single games.

I still remember poor healer i met in dungeon who asked party are there harder dungeons at max level? Lol. (yes i felt bad for them, but what i can do? lets wait for some casual content (not new type even) in 7.25-7.3)

[Remember_The_Name]

At first, I was excited when I heard about upcoming "savage alliance raids". Since normal ones are either nerfed into the ground or mindnumbingly easy/boring, I was expecting that they will shake up the mold.

And then I learned that there will be no trash packs, no road to the boss. Only final room with final boss of a the entire raid series.

Bruh....

NO exploration, NO getting past different trash mobs or bosses, NO solving puzzles to proceed, NO coordinating what alliance goes where and does what. With actual mechanics to respect. Nope, not coming.

Enjoy 24 man trial fight, with the absolutely THE BEST gameplay loop of "start->wipe->black screen->start..." (repeat ad nauseum until clear). Such innovation, definetly didn't saw that in...ugh... 97% of other EX+ duties!!


P.S. I am praying so much for them to not fumble FF11 alliance raid and not made them into Myths of the Realm siop that I will probably power up my own mini-primal.