The game would be better without stats

[Jeeqbit]

we have no talent points nor anything that would make it an rpg with any choice at all.

I think we might be on the brink of that changing by the next expansion, but we'll see. Their desire to move away from endless leveling may create the opportunity to have a default set of traits with the ability to go a different route for people wishing for more complexity or difficulty.

[MisterNublet]

I mean...there is a point that melds are basically useless. Every class goes for crit/det/Dh anyway. . Everything else...nope. Sure rare cases like monk and skill speed...but you could also give out gear with those stats on it.

Melds are useless because the combat system is trash and restrictive.

Rotations have to fit the 2-minute meta that the developers have pigeon-held us into, or your rotation ends up subpar and feels bad to play.

Get rid of 99% of the group buffs, stop with the 30sec/1min/2min timers, and allow spell/skill speed to affect cooldowns will open up different builds.

[WetShoelace]

There was a moment in time when attribute points felt better, but that was when we had different distributions within gear and everyone could wear everything. It's one of those changes Stormblood made, now it's all Fending gear for tanks, where as before, for whatever reason, they could wear melee or caster gear if they wanted.

It's regrettable but you're completely right. And it's even worse that we can extend this stagnating design flaw to gear as well. We could remove gear tomorrow and keep Item level and nothing would change in the game. Gear could still offer glamour but it doesn't need to be a part of us. Our characters don't play any differently.

But then again, you'll run into the same wall that has led to this game being like this in the first place. You can't ask developers to work on anything, you should just unsub because "it's something you don't like". I just want to assure you that there is nothing wrong with you asking these questions and pondering these things.

This community is overwhelmingly toxic, try your best to ignore them.

[BabyYoda]

Melds are useless because the combat system is trash and restrictive.

Rotations have to fit the 2-minute meta that the developers have pigeon-held us into, or your rotation ends up subpar and feels bad to play.

Get rid of 99% of the group buffs, stop with the 30sec/1min/2min timers, and allow spell/skill speed to affect cooldowns will open up different builds.

It is being this way because it is easier to balance.. and the jobs still not balanced..

Let's be real here.. we need huge changes to combat system.. talent system could be a solution.. but again with no agency of how your job has been played it is still will not change the current system

[Lyndina]

There was a moment in time when attribute points felt better, but that was when we had different distributions within gear and everyone could wear everything. It's one of those changes Stormblood made, now it's all Fending gear for tanks, where as before, for whatever reason, they could wear melee or caster gear if they wanted.

It's regrettable but you're completely right. And it's even worse that we can extend this stagnating design flaw to gear as well. We could remove gear tomorrow and keep Item level and nothing would change in the game. Gear could still offer glamour but it doesn't need to be a part of us. Our characters don't play any differently.

But then again, you'll run into the same wall that has led to this game being like this in the first place. You can't ask developers to work on anything, you should just unsub because "it's something you don't like". I just want to assure you that there is nothing wrong with you asking these questions and pondering these things.

This community is overwhelmingly toxic, try your best to ignore them.

Already on my way out, because after 10 years...another content draught, no changes to engaging healer gameplay...i'm at a point where those 13 Euro a month for the sub are not worth for me anymore. Not saying i wont be back...but for now its goodbye once my sub runs out next month. The deafening silence to everything thats brought up on the forum is just the tip of the iceberg. In my eyes FF and Yoshi P takes the same path that wow once took, asking for feedback but not even listening to it. Hells...ff right now is even worse. Because it doesnt evolve from its archaic formula at all. So yeah..gonna try out some other games...maybe couple monts of wow...dont know. Lots of choices.

[BabyYoda]

There was a moment in time when attribute points felt better, but that was when we had different distributions within gear and everyone could wear everything. It's one of those changes Stormblood made, now it's all Fending gear for tanks, where as before, for whatever reason, they could wear melee or caster gear if they wanted.

It's regrettable but you're completely right. And it's even worse that we can extend this stagnating design flaw to gear as well. We could remove gear tomorrow and keep Item level and nothing would change in the game. Gear could still offer glamour but it doesn't need to be a part of us. Our characters don't play any differently.

But then again, you'll run into the same wall that has led to this game being like this in the first place. You can't ask developers to work on anything, you should just unsub because "it's something you don't like". I just want to assure you that there is nothing wrong with you asking these questions and pondering these things.

This community is overwhelmingly toxic, try your best to ignore them.

Thank you.. and you are right..

I didn't invest in the game at stormblood but I can see it can lead to something wrong..
Having an agency on how you play the job is what make me feel like I play an RPG.
Developer understands that old system can't be back without invest much resources and unsub is the only way to sends a message to them

We players are not suppose to give solutions.. we point on an issue that developer should work them selfs to find solutions.
Giving an idea is not our job.. our job is to get good product meaningful changes each 2.5 years so they can have our sub

[Larirawiel]

Have you ever considered letting your thoughts develop beyond the "I've just had this thought" phase?

BabyYoda is right. The stat system in FF14 is so useless and adds literary nothing to the game, that one can see it as parasitic game design. The only thing, what matters is item level.




Cheers

[BabyYoda]

Well yes, it would be good, but the problem is "what about the casual players who don't interact with it at all or meld anything at all".

Anyway, titanmen made a whole debate on that a while ago that actually developed thoughts on it... https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...gear-treadmill

There was also this https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...roying-balance

Good ideas but let's get realistic here..

giving an idea is nice effort but no one understands the game engine and its capability other than the developer CBU3..
We are not gamedevs and we are not suppose to give solutions but to point for an issue for a gamedev to solve it.

Eruka and Bozja have good steps but it is still not good enough

[SubmarineAlt]

BabyYoda is right. The stat system in FF14 is so useless and adds literary nothing to the game, that one can see it as parasitic game design. The only thing, what matters is item level.




Cheers

Parasitic game design? Inserting basically free items into your gear for free stats and a mild way to customize said stats, including the ever important skill and spell speed? That's parasitic to you? That's useless? Do you even know what the word parasitic means?

Please keep your delusions to yourself. They are wrong.

Speaking of parasitic, btw. Have you considered not being one in the content you do? A 16 cast per minute White Mage thinks they have an opinion on game systems and can judge if that system has a use. I wish I could say you used those casts for healing, but your co-heal seems to always do 2-4x your healing. I wish I could afk 60% of the fights I'm in.

At least, if I had to guess. That's all theoretical and assumption, of course. It's not like we have hard numbers out there.

Thanks for the laugh for the day. Those are always welcome.

[BabyYoda]

Parasitic game design? Inserting basically free items into your gear for free stats and a mild way to customize said stats, including the ever important skill and spell speed? That's parasitic to you? That's useless? Do you even know what the word parasitic means?

Please keep your delusions to yourself. They are wrong.

Speaking of parasitic, btw. Have you considered not being one in the content you do? A 16 cast per minute White Mage thinks they have an opinion on game systems and can judge if that system has a use. I wish I could say you used those casts for healing, but your co-heal seems to always do 2-4x your healing. I wish I could afk 60% of the fights I'm in.

At least, if I had to guess. That's all theoretical and assumption, of course. It's not like we have hard numbers out there.

Thanks for the laugh for the day. Those are always welcome.

Larirawiel is right and you are just a rude person..

You can't accept that people have different opinion than yours and this look absolutely pathetic

Get over it and listen to Yoshi P advice to play other games