Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
Bringing back the bishop turret found in its current pvp form would be a boon for the job and would not only refit it closer to the ranged physical stated purpose of "buffing support job" as described on the XIV job guide page, but also bring unique pulsing barriers to toy with for support tools.
Yea my thought was to bring it back how it use to be. You summon it onto the field where it does auto-attacks, then you trigger a skill that makes it apply a debuff on the enemy with the auto attacks that acts as a support for the rest of the party. Which is what it current does in pvp, plus the added benefit of not having to redeploy if some how a pack of mobs lasts long enough for a second go.

Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
Yeah, but the point is that the overall - after buff contribution - should be competitive between the 3 of them. I know right now is not a good picture because MCH is too low - but then if it's too high we just invert the problem.

DNC and BRD are supposed to have low personal dps by design, but in the end all that matters is that plus the "outsourced contribution" given by the buffs.

If somehow the status quo gets a rebalance by increasing MCH's personal potency to be on par with DNC and BRD's rdps, it would be a never-ending balancing game every patch, to match the gains those jobs get with other people's new ilevels of gear. That's why I think MCH as a selfish dps in this group is an unsustainable choice.
If we drop that then we move back to the current problem we're having with all jobs. That being homogenization. If you remove the core identity of Mch it's just gonna be Brd and Dnc. Sure it'll be easier to balance then, but it's also not going to be any different to play. Bring back it's old random chance mechanics as a buffer, well then it's just Dnc. Don't bring them back then it's just a less flashy Brd. It needs to keep it's identity as the Self Burst DPS, or at least the Self Ranged DPS. Honestly the solution would probably be to bring it back to the Highest Burst DPS while having very low dps between bursts. This would mean the sustained damage buffs of Brd and Dnc would still be viable, and Mch could keep it's identity while holding an actual useful place in the party. But that would involve them needing to make DPS checks important in fights again.