Stormblood Scholar could be back in 8.0

[Tunda]

Veterens like me miss how old scholar and how SE change what makes scholar unique in ShB..

I feel like there is different reasons for this choice:
- Homonization of healers so all can be in same kit.
- remove skill expression to make it easier for casual to play the job.

Homonization point make it actually harder for developer to introduce new healer even now we have balance issue scholar and astrologian is OP.

removing skill expression actually moved a lot of healer fans out of this role to play other more skill expression job.

sadly these points actually ruined the jobs entirely even they introduce pure/shield healer which it shows its true colors in DT.

so I have imagined kit for Scholar that could make it more unique and keeping the simplicity of the core mechanic.


Scholar Identity:
Scientist who uses aether to poison enemies the poison can be consumed by their faerie to heal party and other utility.

Scholar it self can heal party but with much higher Cast time and Higher MP.
Using faerie is more reliable in all cases.

remove all current job gauge and replace it by 1 gauge.

the gauge is about highest stack number of poison that currently apply to nearby enemies.
Max stack can be apply to 1 enemy is 10 stacks and duration is 6 seconds if 6 seconds ended it will reduce stacks by 1.

the number of poison stacks will apply specific buff as following:

3 stacks: 10% increase on healing and shielding.
6 stacks: poison damage increase by 20%.
9 stacks: allow to summon Selene with Eos together.

Job kit:


Miasma (replacement of Broil) (GCD) (2.5 recast) (400 MP):

Deal 40 potency damage
Apply damage overtime 30 potency
Duration: 6s
Additional Effect: Grant 1 stack (max of 10 stacks)

Biolysis (Insta cast) (15 second recast) (800 MP):

Apply 3 extra stacks to enemy target.

Bane (Insta cast) (30 recast):

double amount of poison stacks on enemy target.

Recitation (60s Recast):

Allows the execution of Adloquium, Concitation, Indomitability, or Excogitation without consuming resources while also ensuring critical HP is restored.
Duration: 15s

Adloquium:

Restores target's HP.
Cure Potency: 300
Additional Effect: Grants Galvanize to target, nullifying damage equaling 180% of the amount of HP restored. When critical HP is restored, also grants Catalyze, nullifying damage equaling 180% the amount of HP restored.
Duration: 30s
Additional Effect: Consume 3 poison stacks

Emergency Tactics:

Transforms the next Galvanize and Catalyze statuses into HP recovery equaling the amount of damage reduction intended for the barrier.
Duration: 15s

Concitation:

Restores own HP and the HP of all nearby party members.
Cure Potency: 200
Additional Effect: Erects a magicked barrier which nullifies damage equaling 180% of the amount of HP restored
Duration: 30s
Additional Effect: Consume 3 poison stacks

Lustrate (60s Recast):

Restores target's HP.
Cure Potency: 600
Additional Effect: Consume 1 poison stack

Indomitability (60s Recast):

Restores own HP and the HP of all nearby party members.
Cure Potency: 400
Additional Effect: Consume 1 poison stack

Sacred Soil:

Creates a designated area in which party members will only suffer 90% of all damage inflicted.
Duration: 15s
Additional Effect: Regen
Cure Potency: 100
Additional Effect: Consume 1 poison stack

Excogitation (45s Recast):

Grants self or target party member the effect of Excogitation, restoring HP when member's HP falls below 50% or upon effect duration expiration.
Cure Potency: 800
Duration: 45s
Additional Effect: Consume 3 poison stack

Summon Selene (60s Recast):

Allow you to cast Aetherpact
Increase poison damage to enemy by 50%
Apply small shield to party each 3 seconds.
duration 15 second.

Summon Seraph (120s):
Keep it the same.

Whispering Dawn and Fey Illumination will be the same too

[Sylvain]

Okay... so... to be sure I understand.

I spam Miasma to get poison stack which my fairy can consume for healing...
I can consume 9 stacks, so 22.5s worth of dps, to summon Seraph.

How is your healing while the boss isn't here? Because that is something that happens quite a lot in ultimate and those fight are definitely the place where job balance will be the most important.

And before people talk about kardia... No kardia while the boss isn't here isn't an issue since there's no AA to heal.
No seraph / other important AoE healing abilities is a much bigger deal.

[Zakuyia]

Okay... so... to be sure I understand.

I spam Miasma to get poison stack which my fairy can consume for healing...
I can consume 9 stacks, so 22.5s worth of dps, to summon Seraph.

How is your healing while the boss isn't here? Because that is something that happens quite a lot in ultimate and those fight are definitely the place where job balance will be the most important.

And before people talk about kardia... No kardia while the boss isn't here isn't an issue since there's no AA to heal.
No seraph / other important AoE healing abilities is a much bigger deal.

To be fair storm blood aparently was peak class design by few ppl till shadowbringers and others expansions ruined that

[Sylvain]

To be fair storm blood aparently was peak class design by few ppl till shadowbringers and others expansions ruined that

Well SB SCH was able to heal while the boss wasn't there so that's indeed an improvement over any rework which would prevent that.

Ignoring the loss of dps skills, I don't see how taking current SCH and stripping it of the last 3 expansion worth of new spells would make it more interesting.
Ah yeah we had two fairies, one for a raidbuff and the other one never to be seen because why would you?

[BabyYoda]

Okay... so... to be sure I understand.

I spam Miasma to get poison stack which my fairy can consume for healing...
I can consume 9 stacks, so 22.5s worth of dps, to summon Seraph.

How is your healing while the boss isn't here? Because that is something that happens quite a lot in ultimate and those fight are definitely the place where job balance will be the most important.

And before people talk about kardia... No kardia while the boss isn't here isn't an issue since there's no AA to heal.
No seraph / other important AoE healing abilities is a much bigger deal.

As he mentioned

You can cast all kind of healing skills but it will cost more MP and cd will be longer

I think this is a good tradeoff for job designed around that

[BabyYoda]

I think the kit is too much heavy on 1 system

We could reduce the heavy focus on 1 bar to multiple bars would be better
But overall I think Miasma could be back

[Sylvain]

As he mentioned

You can cast all kind of healing skills but it will cost more MP and cd will be longer

I think this is a good tradeoff for job designed around that

MMM i rechecked and all I see are our current spells with "consumes x numbers of stacks". I don't see any CD reduction anywhere.
At 3 stacks you get a healing buff
At 6 stacks you get a damage buff
At 9 stacks you can summon an extra fairy.

The issue is that everything you do litterally reduces your damage. Every ogcd and even gcd.
We know from experience that any option between DPS and healing results in DPS being favored unless absolutely necessary.

I understand people aren't particularly happy with the current scholar and everyone feel they can do a better design by thinking for a whole 5minutes but men just ponder for more than 5min and try to think how really, THAT would work out at every level of play.

It's litterally current SCH with
- longer CD
- restriction on ogcd usage through poison stack consumption
- the healer rewarded for litterally not healing as every single healing action reduces the poison stack.
- the only healer which would loose a whooping 300potency DoT if it stops dpsing for 6s. (very casual friendly I'm gonna say).
- Huge DPS loss everytime the boss leaves, even for a mehr 6s.

Since every healing skill are tied to a DPS counterpart, it means that this would heal only if absolutely necessary, making it by far the worst co-healer in existence.

[Tunda]

MMM i rechecked and all I see are our current spells with "consumes x numbers of stacks". I don't see any CD reduction anywhere.
At 3 stacks you get a healing buff
At 6 stacks you get a damage buff
At 9 stacks you can summon an extra fairy.

The issue is that everything you do litterally reduces your damage. Every ogcd and even gcd.
We know from experience that any option between DPS and healing results in DPS being favored unless absolutely necessary.

I understand people aren't particularly happy with the current scholar and everyone feel they can do a better design by thinking for a whole 5minutes but men just ponder for more than 5min and try to think how really, THAT would work out at every level of play.

It's litterally current SCH with
- longer CD
- restriction on ogcd usage through poison stack consumption
- the healer rewarded for litterally not healing as every single healing action reduces the poison stack.
- the only healer which would loose a whooping 300potency DoT if it stops dpsing for 6s. (very casual friendly I'm gonna say).
- Huge DPS loss everytime the boss leaves, even for a mehr 6s.

Since every healing skill are tied to a DPS counterpart, it means that this would heal only if absolutely necessary, making it by far the worst co-healer in existence.

I am with the ocean that healers must stay healers and have little to manage other than party hp..
but how that can be needs to be special..
as I mentioned that scholar must focus being a healer with less DPS but their healing depends on DPS.

all that assuming coming content will be harder and it require more healing and shielding.

regarding damage is low.. sorry teacher I didn't bring my calculator but from what I know numbers can be changed no?

"Huge DPS loss everytime the boss leaves, even for a mehr 6s."
6 second is enough for people to recharge the stacks in movement phases.


scholar is the easiest and most effective healer in the game
if you think current scholar is hard to manage you are just need to stop playing summoner and play harder job.

[Carighan]

Yeah people tend to rose-goggle old designs too much. Some individual elements were nice, but it's important to keep in mind that while the loss of a proper pet that could be hit/killed is sad in some ways - no more pet classes - there's a reason it was removed, and that was that some boss-fights were hell to do with pet jobs in the group, while for others it made no difference. And the community wants more and more and tighter balancing, so such differences are wanted less and less by the very playerbase that also wants all those "unique" (and hence inherently not balanceable) skills back.

And in the case of our two fairies in particular, it was just 1 fairy. The other one was nice for the lulz, but only used in content where it really didn't matter.

[Ramiee]

Pet hp being removed was fine but removing all forms of management on the pet was terrible. If the fairy gauge was more like MP for your fairy it would make that system way more fun then just having it tied to your aethergauge.
A pet class can still be a pet class if the pet is immortal it's just that CBU3 are too lazy to try.