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  1. #81
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    Benedikta Harman
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    Quote Originally Posted by TemporalFruitsAndVeggies View Post
    * Boring stats
    do you have an example of not boring stat sytem ? I played a few MMOs and everyone of them were boring

    Quote Originally Posted by TemporalFruitsAndVeggies View Post
    * The long GCD
    I think you need to choose between "mech complexity" and "apm", you cant have jobs with 70-80 apm while doing very complex mechanics, nonetheless I think APM should be a bit higher, 50 to 55 for every class more or less


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    * Complete lack of player choice
    There will always be a single optimal choice

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    * The hyper-janky snapshotting system
    Netcode issue, they will probably never change it

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    * The fact that the resolution to almost every fight mechanic is "walk to the right place and stand there"
    They started to put more "react & adjust" kind of mechanics recently, I hope they will be more in the future

    Just giving some more information, but overall I agree
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    Last edited by CaedemSanguis; 09-26-2024 at 09:35 AM.

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    Khryseis Astra
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuroka View Post
    ...after the Raids im kinda worried beastmaster will just use their tech...
    I really hope not… so far the whole gimmick of the raids is that we’re doing so well without relying on that technology.

    I just want to know what armor it’s gonna use so I can start using my poetics to collect it.
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  3. #83
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis View Post
    do you have an example of not boring stat sytem ? I played a few MMOs and everyone of them were boring



    I think you need to choose between "mech complexity" and "apm", you cant have jobs with 70-80 apm while doing very complex mechanics, nonetheless I think APM should be a bit higher, 50 to 55 for every class more or less




    There will always be a single optimal choice

    Netcode issue, they will probably never change it



    They started to put more "react & adjust" kind of mechanics recently, I hope they will be more in the future

    Just giving some more information, but overall I agree
    RuneScape (hilariously enough) is an example of a system that works with interesting stat choices because while each of its 4 main combat systems has an absolute BIS at any one time that BIS is often locked behind being incredibly expensive (like the equivalent of billions of Gil) can often be extremely hard to obtain and different fights benefit fun different accessories that may or may not also be extremely expensive

    So this creates a tiered BIS where if you have 50 billion Gil you can just buy the absolute BIS but most players who have limited money pools will have to pick and choose based on how much money they have, what the fight asks for, what skills they have levelled, whether they want to use degrading armour and if they want to spend more money inventing new perks for new gear they buy

    Let’s take a super easy explanation of this system- the cape slot

    Now for a lot of fights there are niche capes that are BIS for a fight and they can have different requirements including
    -completing a set of tasks for the local city that requires high levels in many skills
    -completing treasure hunts
    -completing particular long quest chains

    Outside of these niche capes the most common BIS cape is the trimmed completionist cape, which is only offered to people who have done everything in the game, below that is usually the max cape which is all skills at 99 cape and below that are the individual skill skill capes for getting that skill alone to 99. Intersected in that can be capes like the third age cape (incredibly expensive) or Ava’s attractor (retrieves arrows)

    Every cape is a choice of what to wear, has different requirements and upsides and costs a different amount leading to 10,000 different builds you can make

    That is an example of this sort of skill system working for many players
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    I am a bit worried that because they need a distraction (not adding a lot of nice things) they will use the ddos attacks, and talk about that for a long long time lol!
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    i want to see them explain where the hell the story is even going. and also to just remove wuk lamat from all future content. failure to do this will result in loud outrage from the players. accept she didnt work, accept we don't want her, and move on. Don't try to fix her, just remove her and start again.

    i want to see the new criterion dungeon, the new alliance, and the new zone. and some of this graphics update rolled back on character models.. My aura looks awful ever since 7.0

    i dont have to much riding on 7.1 . i just want wuk lmao gone and my WOL's face closer to how it was
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    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    your titanmen, hes titanmen IM TITANMEN are there anymore titanmens i should know about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuroka View Post
    ...after the Raids im kinda worried beastmaster will just use their tech...
    Uhhh... we've seen beastmasters in game several times well before this, sooo... very unlikely. That being said folks should still lower expectations, its "beast" master, no eikons/primals, no deities, heck prolly even no voidsent or dragons because story/lore, just beasts... As information about it, yeah... we arent going to see anything this LL, its slated for end of expansion, x.4, x.5ish...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis View Post
    do you have an example of not boring stat sytem ? I played a few MMOs and everyone of them were boring
    Oh oh I know I know. Here is one https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki...ntasy_XI_stats
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanayumi View Post
    Uhhh... we've seen beastmasters in game several times well before this, sooo... very unlikely. That being said folks should still lower expectations, its "beast" master, no eikons/primals, no deities, heck prolly even no voidsent or dragons because story/lore, just beasts... As information about it, yeah... we arent going to see anything this LL, its slated for end of expansion, x.4, x.5ish...
    Yes, but a proper taming and pet system would require a significant amount of work. A morally sound equivalent to feral souls would let them reuse a lot of what they already did for Blue Mage.
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    Why do people even think we are going to use feral souls when one of the only major recent enforced choices of the WOL’s morality is hating the Alexandrian soul system

    The WOM often has to do places others would deem morally questionable but the WOL never breaks their own established moral code; as thin as it is
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Personally the game having a real pet job again seems too good to be true, even as a limited job, so I'm taking it as a way to keep expectations low
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