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    Pyth's Avatar
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    Pyth Dawncaller
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    Healer Players Deserve More than Just Crumbs

    I've ranted on this forum before in the past on the treatment of WHM and I'm sure we all are aware of the Healer Strike already.

    But a lot of these changes in 7.1 feel SO lackluster. I just can't help but feel that healers are just never addressed past a superficial adjustment. How can Square expect people to keep going off of promises of change but never showing anything substantial?

    I've already cancellled my sub despite raiding often and having a house in-game. I just don't want to be told to wait another 4 months to see healers given crumbs again. I guess we'll see in 8.0 if things can change for the better.
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    I don't think any of the devs play healer so they're kinda lost on what to do with it and also somehow haven't noticed how ridiculously powerful SCH is compared to SGE.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    SCH and SGE are easily the two most imbalanced jobs that theoretically occupy the same niche within the party

    SGE has literally zero niche because SCH is better than it at literally everything and SCH continues to have limitless value in ultimate prog through spreadlo and dissipation

    It’s like they looked at SCH and took out everything that “felt bad” and didn’t realise that was everything savage and up raiders like about how strong SCH is. A SCH clone with no spreadlo, no dissipation and no expedient when all those exist on SCH is just a waste of class space
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    SCH and SGE are easily the two most imbalanced jobs that theoretically occupy the same niche within the party

    SGE has literally zero niche because SCH is better than it at literally everything and SCH continues to have limitless value in ultimate prog through spreadlo and dissipation

    It’s like they looked at SCH and took out everything that “felt bad” and didn’t realise that was everything savage and up raiders like about how strong SCH is. A SCH clone with no spreadlo, no dissipation and no expedient when all those exist on SCH is just a waste of class space
    This wouldn't even be a problem, excluding the bland homogenization but that's par for the course at this point, if SGE did higher damage. The selfish DPS to the buff equivalent. Unfortunately, SCH spanks it all over the map and back. All SGE has going for it right now is it being piss easy to play. That's it. That's it niche. When the bar is new SMN. God lord...
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    "Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters."
    "The silence is your answer."


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    miraidensetsu's Avatar
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    Luno Belfi
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    Behemoth
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    Conjurer Lv 100
    Well, SGE became the WHM of shield healers.

    WHM is now an AST without cards and buffs.
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    Wyti Fynnasla
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    They definitely have no one with any say who plays healer.
    Otherwise, in the patch where they go after every spell applying their effect with a delay, they would have caught on the delay on both benediction and divine benison being forgotten.
    hell you can see shield added after shadowbringer are applied instantly, whereas the early shield spells added before it apply 1-2s after they were casted.

    And don't get me started on reducing the manacost when healer are at the point of using crafted hands and normal raid boots to avoid all possible piety.
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    Iedarus Meridus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyti View Post
    And don't get me started on reducing the manacost when healer are at the point of using crafted hands and normal raid boots to avoid all possible piety.
    Thank GOD I'm not the only one who got irritated by the constant loss of crit for piety since SHB. They just keep missing the mark and you know it's bad when the "BiS" gear becomes a DPS loss. Goes to show this role has just been completely forgotten about.

    Loling hard at the MP changes too. Not like MP even mattered so it doesn't change anything but it still shows how clueless the team is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Was this what Yoshi P wanted for people like me? Did he assume we were too foolish to take any semblance of complexity? How could such an allegedly open developer act so dismissive towards his own players? The flavor of the jobs I loved so much throughout the franchise were mere husks of themselves. What was once a magical world peeled away to reveal a sterile room of four walls. No imagination, no challenge, only accessibility for the sake of it. I didn't feel welcomed, I felt betrayed.
    I'll give healer a try up until level 100. If I do not like it, I'm off the role, entirely.

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    Naychan Le'mew
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    Coeurl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Loling hard at the MP changes too. Not like MP even mattered so it doesn't change anything but it still shows how clueless the team is.
    So there were like 5-10 people who ran out of mana and they fixed that but wont look at the larger issues "/sigh". On the bright side we will have extra mana for our 1 nuke &/or AE.
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    Nero Tsukimi
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    Zalera
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    you mean you aren't happy with all the healing change on tanks and we get nothing other then skill using less mp? I get it yes because I am like yay since endwalker we healers have been neglected and run through the mud and once more we are deeper into it -_- next expension they will just remove healer to have tank do the role >~>
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    Schan Starfall
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    Moogle
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Throwing my hat in to agree.

    Healers get crumbs and they double down on tank sustain. Clearly this is the Tank expansion
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