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    SweetPete's Avatar
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    Princess- Princess
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    Coeurl
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    Alchemist Lv 100

    You Get A Dash, You Get A Dash And You Too

    So WHM got a dash in pve, SGE has a dash in both pve and pvp. AST just got a dash in pvp. So when does SCH get a dash? 8.0 or 8.1?

    Just please give them a set of faery wings that appears on their back as they zoom zoom across maps in PvP or the open world in PvE.

    Thank you. Good day.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Why does every healer need the same boring equivalent mobility

    SCH has expedient which is already by far the most interesting mobility skill of any class let alone healer
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Carighan Maconar
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Yeah I was about to say, Scholar already has the by-far best mobility tool in Expedient?! Still envious as hell about how awesome that is.
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    Alinne Seamont
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    I don't get your point OP- what is concern, when the skills that aren't implemented in the same way and aren't even in the same context- i.e. PvE or PVP?
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    Luno Belfi
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    But Expedient is a 2nd sprint. And an AoE one, like Peloton, but way better.
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    Luno Belfi
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    But Expedient is a 2nd sprint. And an AoE one, like Peloton, but way better.
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    Carighan Maconar
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    I mean if anything the healer mobility tools are one of the few areas where "equivalent but different" actually kinda works.

    We all got a mobility tool during fights, but it's quite different:

    * WHMs get instant heals that are DPS-neutral since you get a super-nuke refunded from it. Yeah you can't nuke during movement, but you get the lost DPS back afterwards.
    * ASTs get two charges of a temporarily most-things-are-instant buff. Strongest option by far, but on a cooldown so it's best with infrequent heavy-movement phases.
    * SCHs have a weaker nuke that's fully instant. Moderate DPS loss, but the only fully unrestricted and unlimited version.
    * SGEs accumulate charges of instant nukes, but they have a charge limit and cannot freely generate them. Strongest option for infrequent brief movement.

    Then further what OP is on about, we also all got a form of "supermovement", but this is actually not equivalent, since it affects different modes:

    * WHM has PvE dash, no target.
    * ASH has PvP dash + reteleport, no target.
    * SCH has PvE group supersprint.
    * SGE has PvE+PvP dash, enemy or friendly target only, no free dashing.

    It's still equivalent in design space. Everyone has an option, but its situated differently based on where it fits without overloading the job. Like, in PvE AST doesn't need a dash, it'd be pointless. There's Lightspeed, the animation lock from a dash would in fact be a downside!
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    Winter Gem
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    Brynhildr
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    Expedient is great but it's worth mentioning it is locked behind level 90 content. Scholar does not have it for most of the game. All healers movement tools are not equal. Astro gets two charges of Light speed in the very 1st dungeon. WHM gets a dash at level 40.
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    Last edited by NobleWinter; 11-24-2024 at 06:50 PM.

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    Carighan Maconar
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    Yeah, they're not equal. That's kinda the point. That's good. It'd be really bad if they were. Look at the same state of tanks nowadays.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Also can you imagine expedience being pulled down to a lower level, it’s already overpowered enough as it is
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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