After Dawntrails abject Failure of a Story, there need to be serious Consequences

[Eyrilona]

not only is it not feasable, it‘s something completely different. Just because YOU don‘t like the story, everything should be redone? FF XIV 1.0 was a technical mess, it runs fine now. Stop clowning around.

That is your example, really? Your case against someone asking that what we got be discarded and redone, is to point to 1.0? The thing that was so bad, that people complained about, and which was then discarded and redone?

Are you sure you even know which side you are trying to provide arguments for?

[Saraide]

That storyline really made no sense... Somehow every single one of the Hanuhanu forgot about the magic, but then there's Wuk Evu who knows all about it but just decided to never tell anyone about it and just lets them suffer.

Huh, the character in the screenshot literally knows about it. The effects just gradually declined over the years because they didnt maintain the boat properly. It all came to a head when the storm devastated the village. The actual dumb move is this idiotic rite of succession coming from a ruler whose only qualities lie in fighting and conquest, not in actually ruling. Gulool Ja Ja isnt even a good father. Most problems boil down to him rather spending his time looking for sparring partners than adressing the problems his nation or his family was facing. Which makes him an interesting character imo and probably the kharmic reason why he had to die in the story.

[Sotaris]

I know I’m in a minority (on the forum at least), the story was fine. 7/10. It’s not the best but not the worst or average.

I’m not currently playing, but it’s not really the expansion or the story fault. It’s hard to keep up playing both 11 and 14, there is also a monitory reason since SE still doesn’t offer a discount or combined subscription model for their 2 mainline MMOs.

[george357]

its time for the mods to clean out the forums of trolls this post now crosses the line and must be delt with

[Thurmnmurmn]

Huh, the character in the screenshot literally knows about it. The effects just gradually declined over the years because they didnt maintain the boat properly. It all came to a head when the storm devastated the village. The actual dumb move is this idiotic rite of succession coming from a ruler whose only qualities lie in fighting and conquest, not in actually ruling. Gulool Ja Ja isnt even a good father. Most problems boil down to him rather spending his time looking for sparring partners than adressing the problems his nation or his family was facing. Which makes him an interesting character imo and probably the kharmic reason why he had to die in the story.

The Gulool JaJa thing makes sense. He's not who he was before since the head of resolve passed. All the decisions were made by him. Essentially only the warrior remains in him now.

[Saraide]

The Gulool JaJa thing makes sense. He's not who he was before since the head of resolve passed. All the decisions were made by him. Essentially only the warrior remains in him now.

Now even more so yea but I think even when the head of reason was still alive he wasnt that good of a ruler or father. The head of reason was primarily cunning, not necessarily a genius.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Huh, the character in the screenshot literally knows about it. The effects just gradually declined over the years because they didnt maintain the boat properly. It all came to a head when the storm devastated the village. The actual dumb move is this idiotic rite of succession coming from a ruler whose only qualities lie in fighting and conquest, not in actually ruling. Gulool Ja Ja isnt even a good father. Most problems boil down to him rather spending his time looking for sparring partners than adressing the problems his nation or his family was facing. Which makes him an interesting character imo and probably the kharmic reason why he had to die in the story.

I'm pretty sure that particular quote came from after it was fixed and they had their ceremony...

[Supersnow845]

If the scene happened before the ceremony then it makes no sense why he didn’t tell everyone the solution to their problem was ikihana, if it happened after the ikihana moot as it returns to being a stupid way for under qualified wuk Lamat to magically solve the problem

Either way it leaves the storyline messy and pointless

[Palladiamors]

Huh, the character in the screenshot literally knows about it. The effects just gradually declined over the years because they didnt maintain the boat properly. It all came to a head when the storm devastated the village. The actual dumb move is this idiotic rite of succession coming from a ruler whose only qualities lie in fighting and conquest, not in actually ruling. Gulool Ja Ja isnt even a good father. Most problems boil down to him rather spending his time looking for sparring partners than adressing the problems his nation or his family was facing. Which makes him an interesting character imo and probably the kharmic reason why he had to die in the story.

I would also say that the way we found the solution was idiotic too. Wuk Lamat just wanted to see the parade and that just so happened to be the solution. It's just dumb and lazy.

[Striker44]

The HanuHanu not knowing about the powers of their own festival float, despite the festival being held regularily and the crops instantly having a huge, visible increase in growth.
Bakool Ja Ja not even being reprimanded for releasing Valigarmanda, still being able to compete for the throne like nothing happened. It's not even clear why he knows how to free the creature in the first place, or why he can openly be a criminal without nobody caring.
The cooking contest rewarding stones only to the winning team by definition, forcing confrontation between half the contestants down the line. Also expecting every contestant to take the same route despite not giving directions on where to go when.
The first dungeon being completely useless, seing how the boat catches up by the end anyways, so everyone could have just stuck together from the very start. No need to search for an alternate route on foot.
Some of the Scions catching up to the infiltration team through an alternate path in Origenics, despite the infiltration team taking what was established as the only available route.
In the midst of a very serious war, a handful of highly skilled warriors just watch passively as Zoraal Ja kills the Dawnservant.
Wuk Lamat evolves into an extremely skilled warrior with no visible setbacks or training that would lead to her becoming stronger.
Deactivating the Endless does nothing. There was no reason to do that.
The WoL silently watches Sphene visiting a child suffering from an overload of levin aether, despite knowing a potential cure for aether overload.
Sphene has no real reason to fight without trying to find an alternative solution together with Wuk Lamat first. Her reason was Zoraal Ja. After his death, she is no longer bound to his will by any means.
Zoraal Ja casually steals the portal key. How? Who knows. He also knows there is a second set of stone tablets. Why? Who knows. It's conviniently never told.

And yet, these have very reasonable explanations...

-Just look around at our own society. How many people simply know that certain things seem to do something, but have absolutely no real clue how or why they do. And ask Americans about American history and see how easily a group of people can have little knowledge of their own society's past.

-The Urqopacha region is rather isolated, and the giants themselves further intentionally separated themselves from the rest of the population. Valigarmanda gets released, attacks the isolated settlement, and promptly flies off to the mountain to recover and gets defeated before he can. It's likely most of Tural doesn't even know anything happened, and the creature being defeated for good (instead of just imprisoned) could cause the celebration to trump going after Bakool Ja Ja for the time being in the giant's minds.

-Given that there is never any prohibition against taking stones from other contestants at all, it feels like "forcing confrontation" is intended. Whoever becomes the Dawnservant needs to be able to defend themselves and be a competent fighter, not just know about cultures. Likewise, part of being Dawnservant involves cooperating with others (even Gulool Ja Ja had his "adventuring party" despite being siamese twins to start). The one in charge of that rite could easily have just told anyone going to him first that earning his stone required at least one other contestant (or potentially all of them) and to pursue other stones first.

-Just because the boat happens to catch up at the end doesn't mean it was guaranteed to. The alternate route on foot was done because Erenville wasn't sure how long it would take to fix the boat. It could just as easily have taken much longer than it did.

-Origenics I would have to look at again. I just don't remember that dungeon specifically.

-When Zoraal Ja kills Gulool Ja Ja, we at that point have absolutely no idea how regulators work. All we do know is that Zoraal Ja can come back from the dead (potentially as much as he wants) and just completely wrecked a guy who was a highly competent fighter that took both us and Estinien to a draw. On top of that, Zoraal Ja straight up tells us he's calling off the attack for now and giving us time to hunt him down. Attacking him would have been incredibly boneheaded. Attack a guy with unfathomable power and potentially cause him to continue using his nigh-invincible army to kill everyone in Tuliyollal, or let him go, keep everyone else alive, and have time to learn what we're facing...easy choice.

-Wuk Lumat is clearly a skilled warrior and well-built as such from the first moment we meet her. The things she lacked were confidence and real motivation.

-Keeping the Endless powered is precisely the reason the Sphene AI partnered with Zoraal Ja to kill the people of Tural, and is at that very moment trying to connect with other reflections for the purpose of gaining more aether to keep the Endless going. Deactivating the Endless conserves the aether already siphoned and undercuts the reason for going on a mass murder spree altogether.

-It's been discussed in other threads why the levin sickness we see and the tempering cure we have may well be completely unrelated. There's also much larger problems at the moment, and coming back to the potential cure after the immediate threat has been resolved is a much more reasonable approach that may very well be part of the upcoming patch MSQ's.

-The Sphene we meet is an AI programmed to prioritize keeping the Endless alive above all else. She was never really "bound" to Zoraal Ja, but rather chose to partner with him since his plan of killing people would get her the aether she needs for her own goal. Wuk Lumat's approach doesn't get her the aether she needs anywhere near as fast as just taking it from other reflections. "Finding alternative solutions" is irrelevant when you're an AI programmed to achieve a specific goal as highest priority.

-Zoraal Ja is Gulool Ja Ja's biological son, has been in charge of the military for awhile, and his lackey (Sareel Ja) is a very knowledgeable and cunning insider. I don't see any reason why we shouldn't believe he knows about the key and other tablets.