I need help understanding CC/PvP in FF14

[ShiyuuHQ]

I'm being serious.

I've been trying to understand it since Endwalker and I just can't, and this tilts me as a person where I feel like an absolute failure, and I spiral into depression. Please excuse my passive aggressiveness as the PvP revival discord has only ever told me 'git gud' responses, so here I am.

I need to understand why...

Question 1
When going for potions on the map, why is it the 5th person behind me that gets the heal? How to fix this? How is it fair to where on MY screen? MY GAME! I am the first one on top of it, AND/OR Dead on it!
This is the same for the one map in CC with the tornados and the chocobo buffs! WHY Is it that I am the only one chasing it, then anyone waddles in, and it's the person on the damn spawn point that gets it?!

Question 2
Who thinks 1 button, 1 shots are a good thing? I really want to know.
How is NIN, insta-kill, a good thing? It's a full animation stun, into an instant death.
And you ONLY need to be 50% health. You DO know, a ninja can simply Assassinate > Hyosho, and you are already at 50% right? This is only 1 job, with 2 abilities. Let's not forget there are 4 other team members. The way I see it is... As soon as you hit recuperate once, you've already lost VS Ninja LB.

Samurai is debatable there's a laughable 2 button setup, and it's very visible.

I don't see a damage set up into a 1 shot a problem, that's been in ALL mmo pvps. Root / stun into xyz spells, and abilities, burst, dead.

Question 3
When I play...

WAR/DRK/MNK/MCH

WAR LB Shout - I only ever hit 1 person, when there are 3 people grouped on point?

DRK Salted Earth - I can never get the follow up root to happen unless the person on the other end is sleeping at the wheel.

MNK/MCH - Knock back. Why are they always flying to the opposite side if where I am aiming? Why am I never able to push them in a bad location? I find it unfair to me, the paying customer that I am seeing my enemy in front of me, ready to use my skill to put them into a bad position, yet they just are blown behind me and to safety?

There are 100 more questions, but I'm going to start with these. I really hope, I get answers to my questions and not simply trolls with the 'git gud' responses. I have been desperately trying to understand and get better, but these little things make me want to never grind to crystal rank ever again, every queue was a slog, depressing, and a job I hated.

[Divinemights]

This is what you get when PvP community asking for PvP without healer being a crucial role
Also, it is the same PvP community asking for signature Limit Break for each job
They technically did listen to the community

[Eastwall]

This is what you get when PvP community asking for PvP without healer being a crucial role
Also, it is the same PvP community asking for signature Limit Break for each job
They technically did listen to the community

I still remember the extremely dead unranked feast queue. I'd rather have this

[Sinstrel]

Unfortunately there is not much you can do about any of your problems since they are all related to server ping.

Q1. If the other players have better ping than you, the server will register them in the potion/chocobuff/etc before it registers you. So they get it, even though you were there first on YOUR screen. In THIER screen THEY were there first and had better ping. This is probably the single handed worst thing about XIV PvP.

Q2. This is something you CAN do something about but I will let others chime in on this once since I have not played CC in over a year and there might be better ways of dealing with this than from when I was playing.

Q3. Ping issue and also a skill issue. If the server only pinged 1 person in your AoE during the WAR shout even though you saw 3 inside of it, only 1 is getting hit. Alternatively, you might have positioned yourself inadequately so it missed the other 2. Impossible to say which from which without a video clip.

DRK Salted earth - by the time the server registered your root, the other players were already out of the AoE on thier screen with better ping than you. Alternatively, you might be slow to root them after dropping the salted earth. Again, hard to say without a video clip showing the timing of your button presses.

MCH Knockback - The player was registered by the server to be hit with a knockback and snapshots this position as the point of knockback. Then the enemy moved during the ping delay and is then is hit with the point blank knockback from where the server first registered the position. Thus, causing the player to be knocked back in another direction based on his new position around the snapshotted point of the knockback.

Players get frustrated because they don't understand just how bad the ping in PvP is and how awful it becomes when combined with snapshotting. So they automatically assume hacks/cheats/etc. When actually its just that the game engine/server sucks.

All you can do is play around the ping/server delay/snapshotting. I suffered from the very same issues in Q1 and adjusted by just never contesting potions/chocobuffs only going for the ones where Im the only player.

One other thing in the chocobuff: sometimes youll be tossed up directly into the chocobuff and the only player on the buff, but still take full fall damage and not get buffed because of server ping/snapshot. The server can sometimes snapshot before you even get tossed up (on your screen).

[Atreus]

Everything you're describing is attributed to the net code and snapshotting. Nobody is particularly fond of the former, but it is something you have to adjust to or just don't play. This isn't a bid to "git gud", it's a bid to help you realize it's stuff that's hardwired into the game and likely won't change.

Don't expect to knock someone back exactly where you want them unless a cc is involved. Just because you're first on your screen does not mean you're first on the server. You have to be proactive on a lot of things and also recognize that someone who owns a corner has a huge peaking advantage over someone who is in the open, all because of the net code.

[Degunuts]

Everything you're describing is attributed to the net code and snapshotting. Nobody is particularly fond of the former, but it is something you have to adjust to or just don't play. This isn't a bid to "git gud", it's a bid to help you realize it's stuff that's hardwired into the game and likely won't change.

Don't expect to knock someone back exactly where you want them unless a cc is involved. Just because you're first on your screen does not mean you're first on the server. You have to be proactive on a lot of things and also recognize that someone who owns a corner has a huge peaking advantage over someone who is in the open, all because of the net code.

Oh hey mandy

[Atreus]

Oh hey mandy

OH HEY MANDY

[Nubrication]

Question 1
When going for potions on the map, why is it the 5th person behind me that gets the heal? How to fix this? How is it fair to where on MY screen? MY GAME! I am the first one on top of it, AND/OR Dead on it!

Are you standing on it right as it spawns? If so then it won’t register you without movement and if someone else moves in at the perfect time, they’ll get it. It takes a few seconds for it to register being “spawned.”

As for the tornado, I’m starting to think you might just need better internet.

Question 2
Who thinks 1 button, 1 shots are a good thing? I really want to know.
How is NIN, insta-kill, a good thing? It\\'s a full animation stun, into an instant death.
And you ONLY need to be 50% health. You DO know, a ninja can simply Assassinate > Hyosho, and you are already at 50% right? This is only 1 job, with 2 abilities. Let\\'s not forget there are 4 other team members. The way I see it is... As soon as you hit recuperate once, you\\'ve already lost VS Ninja LB.

I can see why the peeps at revival told you to git gud. Because you’re crying about something that can literally be fixed by “skill.” The key is to stay near max HP if a NIN has his LB ready. Spam recuperate if you need to. Listen to the sound of NIN casting LB. If you hear it, and it wasn’t cast on you, you have plenty of time to run away - create distance or guard. Guard is the number one counter to a NIN chain LB window.

This requires you to have awareness, reaction speed and anticipation of what other players will do. And all this requires skill or “to git gud.”

Also, if your guard is down and you’re low MP, running away is the best option because the longer it takes for them to reach you, the higher the chances that their chain wears off afterwards, reducing the chances of them potentially chain LBing your teammates.

Also also, if you have full resources and the NIN is trying to chain LB, just focus the NIN, chances are, you’ll kill him or force him to back off and waste time on recuperating. This requires you to git gud though. Not tunnel visioning and being able to switch to priority targets with ease is hard for most players.

Question 3
WAR LB Shout - I only ever hit 1 person, when there are 3 people grouped on point?

It’s a cone, aim better. Serious answer.

DRK Salted Earth - I can never get the follow up root to happen…

Literally a skill issue or internet issue. Click faster?

MNK/MCH - Knock back. Why are they always flying to the opposite side if where I am aiming?

Ok, I seriously think you just need better internet lmao.

All my answers are serious, even the git gud ones. Cause it does sound like you’re b*tching about gameplay more than you are actually asking for advice. But I honesty think you might just need better internet at this point. Or play on a server closer to your geolocation.

[Nubrication]

To add…

I don’t think it needs to be said, but just in case. When you do guard against a NIN LB, make sure you have above 50% HP (the more the better).

And as everyone else already beat into the ground, you have to consider netcode issues and server distance. So if you’re playing in NA from Japan (like I used to), you’re gonna have a bad time in PvP.

[Loggos]

To add…
When you do guard against a NIN LB, make sure you have above 50% HP (the more the better).

Embarrassing off-topic question but are you telling me Nin's LB works through guard as long as the target is below 50%?