Intermittent momentary game freezes/stutter

[Sorjal]

Not sure what's going on with the game but for a bit now I've been experiencing random momentary pauses in the game where everything on the game freezes, then it "catches up". I haven't changed any hardware, and I've kept up with Windows 11, BIOS, and driver updates. Hardware-wise itself, these are a relatively new occurrence, and my system is well beyond the recommended specs with a non-overclocked 13700K, 48GB of DDR5 running at non-XMP 5600, and a 4090. CPU and GPU are water cooled and temps have never been an issue. Game is installed on a raid array of nvme ssds. I typically use wifi, but I've run a really long lan cable through the house and the issue occurs that way as well. I generally have the bgm music off and am just listening to sound effects. I can't recall if those pause as well but given, I can't input a skill to generate one, I'm reliant on being around another player doings something while it happens. It's happened while I'm alone in my house crafting, solo doing fates, during roulettes and trusts, even during the afk gpose style camera moving between other pcs, nps, etc. I don't think the number of others or the number of effects triggers this. And as it even occurs during the afk gpose hopping screens, it seems regardless of the amount of input I am putting into the game (I've watched it stutter a few times already while typing this and registered as afk, where the gob npc it was targetted on head would stop briefly during its head bob and then resume at a different position).

Are there some specific settings I should try and change/disable to try first? Currently I run the game at Nvidia's recommended settings for borderless windowed mode at 2560x1440 on one of my 2 monitors. I've tried a ton of different things already, such as turning off XMP, and the BIOS updates were for the Intel microcode stuff.

My wife's system is also encountering them and has a different setup entirely, save running at the 2560x1440 resolution and being installed on a nvme ssd. That system is a single monitor, 32gb ddr5, 13400 (aio), with a 4070 ti (oem air cooler). I don't know the frequency she's encountering them as she's in a different room. She's using a physical lan connection but was previously using wifi. Changing to a physical connection made no improvement.

[EX_WhiteDragon]

I also had a similar issue. Check if the Device Manager is constantly "refreshing". If so, identify and remove the device causing the malfunction. By the way, in my case, the reason for the refreshing issue was that there were several TV options under "Bluetooth Devices" (they came from video playback apps with screen casting feature installed on Sony TVs running Android system). Deleting all of them from your Bluetooth devices resolved the problem.

Moreover, here are some tips based on my past testing experiences:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ntinuous-cycle

However, this post has already been closed by the staff of the SE forum. I'm not sure if you can still see it.

[Votraftur]

Good morning! Thank you for posting in the Final Fantasy XIV Technical Support Forums.

We apologize for any inconvenience experienced when trying to play Final Fantasy XIV. For us to better assist you, please respond with the following information:

What Platform are you using? (Steam/Windows/Mac/PS4 etc.)
At what point does the issue occur?
How often does the issue occur?

Could you provide the exact error message received?
Are you running any additional programs alongside Final Fantasy XIV?
Does the issue occur with one character or multiple characters?
When the issue happens, is the PC over heating at all?
Were any update or changes made to the PC around the time of the issue?
Does this issue occur if the game is run in full screen mode? Does it happen in borderless or windowed mode?

All steps taken to resolve the issue:

Could you provide a system report? Simply go to the 'Config' option on the Final Fantasy XIV launcher and to the right of 'System Information' click on 'Display.

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[Sorjal]

What Platform are you using?
As mentioned in the original post, Windows 11

At what point does the issue occur?
As mentioned in the original post, intermittently. There is no rhyme or reason, it just happens, sometimes almost immediately, others either I didn't notice it (like there wasn't enough movement on the screen to notice it freeze) or it didn't happen.

How often does the issue occur?
Varies and intermittent. Sometimes it's maybe once during a duty or roulette, other times its pretty frequent, like multiple times during the course of completing a fate wit or without others.

Could you provide the exact error message received?
There is no error message of any kind, everything on the game screen freezes then resumes like it's being fast forwarded to the correct point in time.

Are you running any additional programs alongside Final Fantasy XIV?
Google chat, messenger, discord, edge browser, excel, etc. It varies depending on what I'm doing. Say I'm trying to figure out melding, that's likely excel and maybe edge. Edge browser is typically up in some fashion, say for listening to music, or youtube, or looking up something, etc.

Does the issue occur with one character or multiple characters?
I really haven't been playing my alts, so I couldn't say.

When the issue happens, is the PC over heating at all?
Nope, not in the slightest. Coolant temp stays around 32c with cpu 56-60c and gpu around 43c

Were any update or changes made to the PC around the time of the issue?
Regular windows updates as well and nvidia driver updates, no change between those updates. These all seemed to start some time after Dawntrail's release but I wasn't paying enough attention to say a specific point when. I just know that more recently they've seem to become more frequent in occurrence and that any windows or nvidia driver updates since this increase in frequency has not impacted it as far as I'm aware.

Does this issue occur if the game is run in full screen mode? Does it happen in borderless or windowed mode?
As mentioned in my original post, I typically run in borderless windowed (as that seems to perform better with switching between the game and say clicking on something in a web browser on the other monitor). I've tried full screen mode and that has not had a noticeable impact one way or the other on when these occur, timing, frequency, etc. which is just generally hard to quantify as it's not easily reproduceable, it just happens.

All steps taken to resolve the issue:
Windows 11 repair
Windows 11 reinstall, keeping settings
Clean reinstall of Windows 11 which includes reinstalling the game
All normal (not optional) Windows 11 updates
All Nvidia updates
All Gigabyte motherboard bios updates
Various graphics settings changes, such as full screen, borderless windowed (typical), run game on other monitor in either, switched upscaler between Nvidia and AMD, all frame rate thresholds tested (currently below 30fps, as it's a 4090, it really shouldn't need dlss), various LOD and other detail settings (currently at nvidia's suggested for borderless windowed), various refresh rate limits incl none, display refresh (144), and 60, toggle limit when inactive or away

Could you provide a system report? Simply go to the 'Config' option on the Final Fantasy XIV launcher and to the right of 'System Information' click on 'Display.
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NVIDIA GeForce Overlay


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Intel(R) HID Event Filter
Adobe Creative Cloud
Adobe Genuine Service
MSI Afterburner 4.6.5
Creative App version 1.16.16.00
Dolby Digital Live Pack version 5.02.01
DTS Connect Pack version 3.02.01
HandBrake 1.8.2
Smart Backup (x64)
L-Connect 3
Microsoft Edge
Microsoft Edge Update
Microsoft Edge WebView2 Runtime
Npcap
OBS Studio
Razer Synapse
Wireshark 4.2.6 x64
Intel(R) Wireless Bluetooth(R)
Patriot Viper M2 SSD RGB
ASUS Wireless Router Device Discovery Utility
ENE_EHD_M2_HAL
ENE_DRAM_RGB_AIO
FINAL FANTASY XIV ONLINE
Microsoft Visual C++ 2015-2022 Redistributable (x86) - 14.38.33130
Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtime - 8.0.8 (x64)
Intel Driver && Support Assistant
Microsoft Visual C++ 2015-2022 Redistributable (x64) - 14.40.33810
Microsoft Visual C++ 2022 X86 Additional Runtime - 14.38.33130
WD P40 Game Drive
ENE_AIC_Marvell_HAL
ENE Video Capture Box HAL
Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable - x86 9.0.30729.6161
ENE_External_Device_HAL
Adobe Refresh Manager
ENE_MousePad_HAL
ENE_X_AIC_HAL
TP-Link Archer TBE550E Driver
Verbatim_SureFireGaming_Product
Microsoft Visual C++ 2022 X86 Minimum Runtime - 14.38.33130
Intel® Driver & Support Assistant
Intel(R) Chipset Device Software
Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 x86 Redistributable - 10.0.40219
Realtek Audio Driver
Intel(R) Extreme Tuning Utility
Bitdefender Total Security
Bitdefender Agent
Bitdefender VPN
CPUID HWMonitor 1.54
Azeron Software 1.5.2
GIGABYTE SSD Firmware Update Tool
GBT_MB_Update
GBT_rgbMotherboard_UC 24.06.20.01
GBT_RGB_Sync_Control 24.06.25.01
GIGABYTE Control Center 24.06.27.01
GIGABYTE Performance Library
GIGABYTE Storage Library
Microsoft 365 - en-us
Microsoft OneDrive
USBPcap 1.5.4.0
Intel(R) Management Engine Driver
ENE_AIC_Marvell_HAL
Intel(R) Management Engine Components
Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 x64 Redistributable - 10.0.40219
ENE_External_Device_HAL
Verbatim_SureFireGaming_Product
ENE_EHD_M2_HAL
Microsoft .NET Host - 8.0.8 (x64)
Intel(R) Serial IO
Intel(R) ME WMI Provider
Logitech G HUB
Microsoft Visual C++ 2022 X64 Additional Runtime - 14.40.33810
Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable - x64 9.0.30729.6161
Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtime - 8.0.8 (x64)
Plex Media Server 1.40.1.8227 (x64)
Intel(R) Icls
Microsoft .NET Host FX Resolver - 8.0.8 (x64)
Intel(R) Computing Improvement Program
Patriot Viper M2 SSD RGB
Office 16 Click-to-Run Licensing Component
Office 16 Click-to-Run Extensibility Component
Microsoft .NET Runtime - 8.0.8 (x64)
TNAS PC
ENE_MousePad_HAL
Intel(R) Serial IO
ENE Video Capture Box HAL
Microsoft Teams Meeting Add-in for Microsoft Office
Adobe Acrobat (64-bit)
NVIDIA Broadcast Voice Driver 1.0.1.9
NVIDIA Graphics Driver 560.81
NVIDIA app 10.0.1.256
NVIDIA MessageBus 3 for NvApp
NVIDIA Backend
NVIDIA PhysX System Software 9.23.1019
NVIDIA FrameView 1.5.9611.33638487
NVIDIA FrameView SDK 1.4.9615.33661400
NVIDIA HD Audio Driver 1.4.0.1
NVIDIA Install Application
NVIDIA Broadcast Container
NVIDIA Broadcast LocalSystem Container
NVIDIA Broadcast Container Message Bus
NVIDIA Broadcast Session Container
NVIDIA Broadcast Container Watchdog Plugin
NVIDIA Container
NVIDIA LocalSystem Container
NVIDIA Session Container
NVIDIA User Container
NVIDIA NvDLISR
NVIDIA Broadcast 1.4.0.29
NVIDIA Watchdog Plugin for NvContainer
NVIDIA Telemetry Client
Camera (NVIDIA Broadcast)
Nvidia Share
NVIDIA ShadowPlay 10.0.1.256
NVIDIA Virtual Audio 4.65.0.3
Intel(R) Extreme Tuning Utility
ENE_DRAM_RGB_AIO
Microsoft Visual C++ 2022 X64 Minimum Runtime - 14.40.33810
Smart Backup (x64)
Microsoft Update Health Tools
ENE_X_AIC_HAL
Intel(R) Chipset Device Software
Intel(R) Management Engine Components
WD P40 Game Drive
Dynamic Application Loader Host Interface Service


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C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Adobe Sync\CoreSync\CoreSync.exe 00005410
C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\Adobe Desktop Common\ADS\Adobe Desktop Service.exe 00007FA0
C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\Adobe Desktop Common\IPCBox\AdobeIPCBroker.exe 00007A4C
C:\Program Files (x86)\Creative\Creative App\Creative.App.exe 00007754
C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel\Driver and Support Assistant\DSATray.exe 00004A14
C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\EdgeWebView\Application\128.0.2739.79\msedgewebview2.exe 00005FFC
C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe 00004414
C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\pwahelper.exe 00001ACC
C:\Program Files (x86)\Razer\Razer Services\Razer Central\CefSharp.BrowserSubprocess.exe 0000703C
C:\Program Files (x86)\Razer\Razer Services\Razer Central\Razer Central.exe 00006D10
C:\Program Files (x86)\Razer\Synapse3\Service\..\UserProcess\Razer Synapse Service Process.exe 000058FC
C:\Program Files (x86)\Razer\Synapse3\WPFUI\Framework\Razer Synapse 3 Host\Razer Synapse 3.exe 000069D8
C:\Program Files (x86)\SquareEnix\FINAL FANTASY XIV - A Realm Reborn\boot\ffxivlauncher64.exe 00008220
C:\Program Files (x86)\SquareEnix\FINAL FANTASY XIV - A Realm Reborn\boot\ffxivsysinfo64.exe 0000091C
C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat DC\Acrobat\AcroTray.exe 00004C18
C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat DC\Acrobat\AdobeCollabSync.exe 00006E88
C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Creative Cloud Experience\CCXProcess.exe 00007980
C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Creative Cloud Experience\js\node_modules\adobe-cr\build\Release\Adobe Crash Processor.exe 00007A8C
C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Creative Cloud Experience\libs\node.exe 00007990
C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Creative Cloud\ACC\Creative Cloud Helper.exe 000078A0
C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Creative Cloud\ACC\Creative Cloud.exe 00007D90
C:\Program Files\Bitdefender\Bitdefender Security App\bdagent.exe 00005ED0
C:\Program Files\Bitdefender\Bitdefender Security\bduserhost.exe 00005BCC
C:\Program Files\Bitdefender\Bitdefender VPN\bdvpnapp.exe 00006054
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Adobe Desktop Common\HEX\Creative Cloud UI Helper.exe 00007FF8
C:\Program Files\Intel\SUR\QUEENCREEK\x64\esrv.exe 0000442C
C:\Program Files\LGHUB\lghub_agent.exe 00005C10
C:\Program Files\LGHUB\logi_crashpad_handler.exe 000069BC
C:\Program Files\LGHUB\system_tray\lghub_system_tray.exe 000064F0
C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\root\Office16\ONENOTEM.EXE 00007B70
C:\Program Files\Microsoft OneDrive\OneDrive.exe 00006240
C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVIDIA App\CEF\NVIDIA Overlay.exe 00005208
C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVIDIA Broadcast\NVIDIA Broadcast UI.exe 000040E0
C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVIDIA Broadcast\NvVirtualCamera\NVIDIA Broadcast.exe 00005B78
C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NvContainer\nvcontainer.exe 00003838
C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\AdobeNotificationClient_6.0.0.1_x86__enpm4xejd91yc\AdobeNotificationClient.exe 00000F5C
C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\FACEBOOK.317180B0BB486_2150.23.211.0_x64__8xx8rvfyw5nnt\app\CrashpadHandlerWindows.exe 00007254
C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\FACEBOOK.317180B0BB486_2150.23.211.0_x64__8xx8rvfyw5nnt\app\Messenger.exe 00007218
C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\Microsoft.GamingApp_2409.1001.5.0_x64__8wekyb3d8bbwe\XboxPcAppFT.exe 00005D1C
C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\Microsoft.WidgetsPlatformRuntime_1.4.0.0_x64__8wekyb3d8bbwe\WidgetService\WidgetService.exe 00004DD8
C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\Microsoft.YourPhone_1.24081.102.0_x64__8wekyb3d8bbwe\PhoneExperienceHost.exe 00005F68
C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\MicrosoftWindows.Client.WebExperience_524.24900.80.0_x64__cw5n1h2txyewy\Dashboard\Widgets.exe 000048DC
C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\MicrosoftWindows.CrossDevice_1.24082.53.0_x64__cw5n1h2txyewy\CrossDeviceService.exe 00007634
C:\Users\jbiri\AppData\Local\Discord\app-1.0.9163\Discord.exe 000037B0
C:\Windows\Explorer.EXE 0000455C
C:\Windows\ImmersiveControlPanel\SystemSettings.exe 0000211C
C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\realtekservice.inf_amd64_9f05190a2befb920\RtkAudUService64.exe 00005DD8
C:\Windows\System32\LocationNotificationWindows.exe 000058F0
C:\Windows\System32\RuntimeBroker.exe 000062AC
C:\Windows\System32\SecurityHealthSystray.exe 00005F0C
C:\Windows\System32\SystemSettingsBroker.exe 0000661C
C:\Windows\System32\oobe\UserOOBEBroker.exe 00004C6C
C:\Windows\System32\smartscreen.exe 00005AC4
C:\Windows\System32\svchost.exe 00001954
C:\Windows\SystemApps\Microsoft.Windows.StartMenuExperienceHost_cw5n1h2txyewy\StartMenuExperienceHost.exe 00004BD0
C:\Windows\SystemApps\MicrosoftWindows.Client.CBS_cw5n1h2txyewy\SearchHost.exe 00004BC8
C:\Windows\SystemApps\MicrosoftWindows.Client.CBS_cw5n1h2txyewy\TextInputHost.exe 0000605C
C:\Windows\SystemApps\ShellExperienceHost_cw5n1h2txyewy\ShellExperienceHost.exe 00006734
C:\Windows\system32\ApplicationFrameHost.exe 00004F54
C:\Windows\system32\DllHost.exe 00006E2C
C:\Windows\system32\conhost.exe 0000799C
C:\Windows\system32\sihost.exe 00003FBC
C:\Windows\system32\svchost.exe 00006518
C:\Windows\system32\taskhostw.exe 00004618
C:\Windows\system32\wbem\unsecapp.exe 000069C0

[Vel_Z]

Hi there, had a similar issue with the game constant freezing for x seconds or crashing with DX error. It was all caused by Discord and the hardware acceleration (Settings > Advanced) that wouldn't remain turned off. After I got it to stay off no more freezes. After some time it started freezing again even though Discord was not the issue anymore. Seems any browser which has hardware acceleration turned on will causes freezes on FFXIV and no other game. Turning it off from every browser I use, fixes the issue.
Tried all manner of settings in nVidia control panel specifically for FF but nothing changes if hardware acceleration is turned on, on a background application. Turning off Intel APO for FFXIV does nothing (not sure if it actually does anything beneficial either) and I'm on the latest microcode revision for Intel's 13/14 series issue mitigation (though I never had any issues with the cpu even before).
Do try, hope it helps.

[Foocha]

Having the same issue as above for several weeks now. During the startup of the game and while in it. Game never crashes to an error. Just randomly freezes for about 10-20 seconds than "catches up". The freezes can happen back to back in 10 min intervals 3-4 times then nothing for hours. Some days I never see it freeze at all. Didn't start happening to me till after the savage patch for this tier was released.

I didn't see any issues with my devices within device manager how ever running a hardware scan does recreate the freeze i experience in game exactly.

[LilimoLimomo]

This sounds akin to what some players experience when FF14's servers are being hit by a DDoS attack: game stops updating for a period with everything staying in place, until that blip ends and then things start running as normal. Sometimes that lasts for just a few seconds, sometimes for minutes at a time.

When this happens to you, I'd recommend asking others players in linkshells, FC's, /shout chat, etc if they're experiencing any lag, etc. Also make a note of the time and day it occurred, and then afterwards check the official FF14 Lodestone site to see if that lines up with any reports of a DDoS: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...ews/category/4

DDoS attacks have been fairly regular over the past few weeks. In my subjective and anecdotal experience, the DDoS attacks seem to be getting less severe, though you can still notice these impacts from time-to-time.

Hopefully this will help you to clarify whether there's actually something going with your network/PC/etc, or whether you're just seeing the expected effects of a DDoS that's beyond your control.

[Foocha]

Several times during savage fights it has happened and of course the rest of the group keeps going. During a high lag moment such as a DDoS attack or packet loss we can still run around normally but everything else is halted until it catches back up. Im seeing a fronzen screen of the game. They see me showing up as a disconnected. Its only in FF14 that this happens. All other games run smooth as expected.

[Votraftur]

Good morning! Thank you for providing the requested information.

Please try the following:
- Update and reinstall the drivers for your graphics card and sound drivers (if applicable). It appears that your GPU [NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090] driver was last updated on [7/29/2024], at this time a newer version should be available. Please try updating your graphics driver, generally a new version releases once a month.

- Please try running the game as an administrator.
- Perform a clean boot by opening the task manager and select the 'Start up' Tab. Disable everything.
- Please be sure to disable or remove any overlays (Discord, Steam, NVIDIA etc.) as they may interfere with startup. It appears you may be using programs such as [NVIDIA GeForce Overlay] in the background, these type of programs may be causing interference.
- Upon further review, it appears that you may be using Window's cloud program OneDrive. Please try disabling this program as it may cause interference as it tries to sync your files.

Additionally, as you have mentioned another system on your home network experiencing similar issues we would like to touch upon your network settings by providing best practice suggestions. We advise clearing the cache/cookies/browsing data from your default web browser, disabling any web browser extensions (EG: ad-blocker) and trying again.

Open the control panel of the PC and go to ‘Network and Internet’. Once there select ‘Internet Options’
- Under the "General" tab, please delete ALL browser history.
- Under the "Security" tab, please move the slider to the lowest possible settings or no higher than "Medium"
- Under the "Privacy" tab, click “Advanced” and select ‘Accept’ under both First Party and Third Party Cookies.
- Under the "Advanced" tab, please make sure that "Allow software to run or install even if signature is invalid" is CHECKED.
- Make sure that all SSL and TLS (EXCEPT SSL 3.0) are CHECKED. [SSL 3.0 should be UNCHECKED]
- Hit "Apply" to save the settings, and then "OK, to close the Internet Options menu.
- Right-Click on the FFXIV launcher icon and select "Properties"
- Hit "Apply", then "OK" to save the changes.
- Please RESTART your PC now.

Please double check that your firewall or antivirus program is not interfering with the game. You may try either disabling your firewall/antivirus or creating an exception for FINAL FANTASY XIV.

We hope the above information is helpful. Thank you once again for visiting the Final Fantasy XIV Technical Support Forums!

[Sorjal]

Strange as Nvidia's app is saying the current driver is 560.1, dated 8/5/24.... I'll update the drivers and retest some more.
Regarding the other portion:
"Clean" environment, nothing else running and the issue still occurs
With the Nvidia's overlay (used for settings like Hue, etc.) has had no perceptible change and the issue still occurs, but one of the other replies hear and disabling hardware acceleration elsewhere if something I'm going to try (thanks Vel Z).
I've tried completely removing my current AV. Running with Windows Defender nor without any av software running made no discernable difference.
The OneDrive sync issue is something completely different and throws its error messages intermittently about settings file not able to be saved. This has started occurring again after I recently clean reinstalled Windows 11 in an earlier effort to try and resolve this. So, while the fix was previously installed, this problem was occurring. The command that is being used in Windows is mklink and the SqE forum post is here, https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/409286
I have tried all of the stuff regarding the browser cache clearing and that had no impact. Specifically regarding SSL/TLS being a best practice is another issue to me as Microsoft, etc. do NOT recommend enabling them due to their security vulnerabilities. Their recommendation is TLS 3.0 only and only enabling TLS 2.0 if needed. As enabling their use made no difference, I turned them back off.
SSL 2.0 Deprecated, 2011 RFC 6176
SSL 3.0 Deprecated, 2015 RFC 7568
TLS 1.0, 1.1 Deprecated, 2021 RFC 8996