General Voting System Abuse

[PercibelTheren]

I don't think in my entire time of playing the game I've seen someone get kicked for any reason other than going AFK or offline.

I've seen entire statics and PFs disband before kicking people, and kicking in Full Party roulettes is unheard of.

Without knowing what happened, I'm erring against you. Sorry.

I've seen votekicks started when someone wasn't playing optimally. Of all things, last week I saw a votekick because our tank has low level accessories. In an ARR Dungeon. It was entirely inconsequential but the Healer/DPS duo first told the tank off in chat (to the point that I reported them because they called the tank an idiot and such) and attempted to kick. It's extremely rare but it does happen. I can imagine it's more often if the rest of the party is 3 friends.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Second Edit: To give further context, I just do dungeons and still have this issue. I play with no group chat function, I am not obliged in any form to interact with this community beyond my set limits, and to just be kicked before the last boss is nothing short of discriminatory behavior for not adhering to whatever BS reason the other person had. The current system promotes a toxic behavior that should be addressed.

and there's the reason....

[LibitIncarne]

Second Edit: I play with no group chat function, I am not obliged in any form to interact with this community beyond my set limits, and to just be kicked before the last boss is nothing short of discriminatory behavior for not adhering to whatever BS reason the other person had. The current system promotes a toxic behavior that should be addressed.

even now when I am a mentor.

Try talking to people and actually being a mentor, then.
Players, especially on Light, have a tendency to kick players who are performing oddly and aren't talking because they think they're bots.
If your funny numbers from the funny site put into the other funny site that tells you why the numbers are low is anything to go off of, i can't fault them for thinking like that.

I just do dungeons and still have this issue.

Also this is a lie, i see your two Dawntrail Extreme Trial mounts on your lodestone profile.
Curiously, you don't have any of the Endwalker Extreme Trial mounts.

[Gekkounik]

Please rework the voting system to remove someone from the dungeon, people have abused it to kick me out of the party when I started the game and it happens at times even now when I am a mentor. People shouldnt have the right to abuse a system like this to begin with, it barely only works when there are no premade groups of 3 or even 2.

I dont want to hear of the bandaid, sidetask of reporting them through the report system, that is a temporary option that does not fix the problem in the long term.

Edit: Do note that this problem is most pervasive and accentuated in normal 4 man duties.

Second Edit: To give further context, I just do dungeons and still have this issue. I play with no group chat function, I am not obliged in any form to interact with this community beyond my set limits, and to just be kicked before the last boss is nothing short of discriminatory behavior for not adhering to whatever BS reason the other person had. The current system promotes a toxic behavior that should be addressed.

It's honestly impressive how you're able to shift all the blame onto the system and other players without even a shred of self-reflection. You completely turn off group chat and then seem shocked when people are confused or unsure how to interact with you? Communication is a core part of any multiplayer game, and if you actively choose to ignore it, maybe you're contributing to the issue – but hey, why admit that when it's so much easier to point fingers at the system and those "terrible" players, right?

Sure, getting kicked is frustrating, but have you ever considered that your behavior in the group – or the total lack of interaction – might be contributing to the situation? Of course, it’s way more convenient to call out the "toxic system" instead of reflecting on how you play the game.

[CherryPandax3]

I play with no group chat function, I am not obliged in any form to interact with this community beyond my set limits, and to just be kicked before the last boss is nothing short of discriminatory behavior for not adhering to whatever BS reason the other person had. The current system promotes a toxic behavior that should be addressed.

Pretty sure this is the reason. So you don't talk to others if they try to interact with you, maybe ask you something directly.
If I tray to talk to someone in a duty, help them with mechanics or something and they ignore me after I tried it about 5 times polite and nicely I do kick them as well at this point you are just rude and trolling and I do not apricate that, that's the limit I have set.

"Expressions that unilaterally reject another person's opinion" and "Expressions that compel a playing style";

Attacking someone for doing something different from what you or others may feel is the norm;

You cannot force someone to play a certain way without the consent of both parties. If such a situation does arise, it could be determined to be giving excessive criticism against that player."

I therefore do not care about you or your screenshot. I will only answer in further posts to someone that is.. more official and desirable to talk to.

So you weren't looking for an actual conversation but just for an echo chamber I see.

[Dante131]

Please rework the voting system to remove someone from the dungeon, people have abused it to kick me out of the party when I started the game and it happens at times even now when I am a mentor. People shouldnt have the right to abuse a system like this to begin with, it barely only works when there are no premade groups of 3 or even 2.

I dont want to hear of the bandaid, sidetask of reporting them through the report system, that is a temporary option that does not fix the problem in the long term.

Edit: Do note that this problem is most pervasive and accentuated in normal 4 man duties.

Second Edit: To give further context, I just do dungeons and still have this issue. I play with no group chat function, I am not obliged in any form to interact with this community beyond my set limits, and to just be kicked before the last boss is nothing short of discriminatory behavior for not adhering to whatever BS reason the other person had. The current system promotes a toxic behavior that should be addressed.

Ugh, this says a lot without even being in a group with you. A democratic voting system seems to be encouraging toxic behavior. While I understand it's easier when you're in a premade group, that's not always the case. Just because you're a mentor doesn't automatically mean you're skilled, by the way.

Your aggressive attitude towards others who disagree with you makes you come across as someone who was kicked for a reason and is now upset about it. If this happens to you regularly, maybe it's time for some self reflection perhaps you're the problem in this situation.

If you're AFK throughout the dungeon or not fulfilling your role, people will vote to kick you. Turning off the chat isn't a productive solution. I really can't stand people who do that because when I'm trying to explain something and getting no response, only for the person to then fail at the task, it drives me crazy especially when I’ve tried communicating directly and still get ignored. Other people feel the same way too, can you imagine?

If you don't want to interact with the community, then stick to playing with trust. if you're just in it for the mentor mount, let me give you some advice: mentors are supposed to teach. There's no way you can do that without communicating. At this point, maybe you shouldn't even be a mentor at all.

[Darkstride]

I'm not saying that abuse doesn't happen, but I wouldn't consider it a common occurrence. I've been playing since 1.0 and I've never been vote kicked from anything. I realize that my experience alone does not dictate how the entire player base experiences it, but neither does yours. I can only assume that if it's happening to you on a regular basis, there must be a trend with your behavior. People don't go into duties with a mindset of needing to replace someone. No one wants to wait around for that. I've had plenty of experiences where a party member is essentially dead weight, but we carry on and just complete the duty.

[LilimoLimomo]

If someone kicks you from the group, report it to a GM and move on.

I've reported an abusive kick before and did not receive a reply like the one Supersnow did, which suggests to me that kicks are not universally protected.

[Dante131]

If someone kicks you from the group, report it to a GM and move on.

I've reported an abusive kick before and did not receive a reply like the one Supersnow did, which suggests to me that kicks are not universally protected.

Honestly, I will never understand this mentality. If someone doesn’t want to play with you and uses a feature that's even encouraged by GMs ( happened to me was in jail because i told someone what i thought and i was not nice i agree. GM told me after i explained what happened that i should just start a vote kick next time), it’s EVERYONE´s right. Just because you think it's abuse doesn’t make it actual abuse. On what grounds should Square Enix take action? This just flooding the queue with unnecessary reports while real issues have to wait longer.

[LilimoLimomo]

Honestly, I will never understand this mentality. If someone doesn’t want to play with you and uses a feature that's even encouraged by GMs ( happened to me was in jail because i told someone what i thought and i was not nice i agree. GM told me after i explained what happened that i should just start a vote kick next time), it’s EVERYONE´s right. Just because you think it's abuse doesn’t make it actual abuse. On what grounds should Square Enix take action? This just flooding the queue with unnecessary reports while real issues have to wait longer.

Well, I'm convinced. Any person who wants to use the kick system for any reason is in the right and should be allowed to do so, as both God and Yoshi-P intended. I'm going to queue for dungeons with a trusted friend knowing that if at any point we have the desire to kick, we can do that with impunity. Don't like your glam? Kick. Don't like your race? Kick. Don't like your job? Kick. Just for giggles? Kick. Right before the end boss...wouldn't it be hilarious if we kicked? Just imagine the looks on their faces when they realize they don't get to finish the dungeon because we exercised our righteous power over them!

I genuinely can't think of any reason why a for-profit company like Square-Enix could have a vested interest in this sort of behavior not happening in the product that they want people to continue paying them to use.

To be clear, that was satire, and hopefully that explains why SE very much does care about whether their kick system is abused, in the same way they care about other forms of harassment and toxicity.