General Voting System Abuse

[Muutaras]

I don't think in my entire time of playing the game I've seen someone get kicked for any reason other than going AFK or offline.

I've seen entire statics and PFs disband before kicking people, and kicking in Full Party roulettes is unheard of.

Without knowing what happened, I'm erring against you. Sorry.

I usually use Cheating reason for kick awful people from Frontlines, who dont know for what he even exist in PVP(EXP runners too if they just people who need to be carried) and will end game with score 0-10-0 and almost will looks like bot or 95+% time afker and avoiding any pvp battles.

[tsuchii]

The system is working just fine. You can report if it is an abuse of the system. There will be consequences.

I have had a GM directly message me about my report after I sent one.
For context, I was vote dismissed for leading a party for a full pull of the Wandering Palace (that one with the keys and stuff, the one with the stabbing tonberry). I told them it was the most efficient and fastest way to clear the area. The pre-made group of 3 kicked me out for disagreeing. I did not break any rules nor said anything offensive so I reported. I received a GM tell a few minutes later to ask for more information. What was done to me there was disruption of my gameplay, an abuse of the system, and was reportable. I never found out the results of the investigation but a GM mail told me that it has been dealt with.

Just as any system, it can be abused. But there will be consequences. It is working as intended.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Second Edit: To give further context, I just do dungeons and still have this issue. I play with no group chat function, I am not obliged in any form to interact with this community beyond my set limits, and to just be kicked before the last boss is nothing short of discriminatory behavior for not adhering to whatever BS reason the other person had. The current system promotes a toxic behavior that should be addressed.

and there's the reason....

[LibitIncarne]

Second Edit: I play with no group chat function, I am not obliged in any form to interact with this community beyond my set limits, and to just be kicked before the last boss is nothing short of discriminatory behavior for not adhering to whatever BS reason the other person had. The current system promotes a toxic behavior that should be addressed.

even now when I am a mentor.

Try talking to people and actually being a mentor, then.
Players, especially on Light, have a tendency to kick players who are performing oddly and aren't talking because they think they're bots.
If your funny numbers from the funny site put into the other funny site that tells you why the numbers are low is anything to go off of, i can't fault them for thinking like that.

I just do dungeons and still have this issue.

Also this is a lie, i see your two Dawntrail Extreme Trial mounts on your lodestone profile.
Curiously, you don't have any of the Endwalker Extreme Trial mounts.

[Gekkounik]

Please rework the voting system to remove someone from the dungeon, people have abused it to kick me out of the party when I started the game and it happens at times even now when I am a mentor. People shouldnt have the right to abuse a system like this to begin with, it barely only works when there are no premade groups of 3 or even 2.

I dont want to hear of the bandaid, sidetask of reporting them through the report system, that is a temporary option that does not fix the problem in the long term.

Edit: Do note that this problem is most pervasive and accentuated in normal 4 man duties.

Second Edit: To give further context, I just do dungeons and still have this issue. I play with no group chat function, I am not obliged in any form to interact with this community beyond my set limits, and to just be kicked before the last boss is nothing short of discriminatory behavior for not adhering to whatever BS reason the other person had. The current system promotes a toxic behavior that should be addressed.

It's honestly impressive how you're able to shift all the blame onto the system and other players without even a shred of self-reflection. You completely turn off group chat and then seem shocked when people are confused or unsure how to interact with you? Communication is a core part of any multiplayer game, and if you actively choose to ignore it, maybe you're contributing to the issue – but hey, why admit that when it's so much easier to point fingers at the system and those "terrible" players, right?

Sure, getting kicked is frustrating, but have you ever considered that your behavior in the group – or the total lack of interaction – might be contributing to the situation? Of course, it’s way more convenient to call out the "toxic system" instead of reflecting on how you play the game.

[Dante131]

Please rework the voting system to remove someone from the dungeon, people have abused it to kick me out of the party when I started the game and it happens at times even now when I am a mentor. People shouldnt have the right to abuse a system like this to begin with, it barely only works when there are no premade groups of 3 or even 2.

I dont want to hear of the bandaid, sidetask of reporting them through the report system, that is a temporary option that does not fix the problem in the long term.

Edit: Do note that this problem is most pervasive and accentuated in normal 4 man duties.

Second Edit: To give further context, I just do dungeons and still have this issue. I play with no group chat function, I am not obliged in any form to interact with this community beyond my set limits, and to just be kicked before the last boss is nothing short of discriminatory behavior for not adhering to whatever BS reason the other person had. The current system promotes a toxic behavior that should be addressed.

Ugh, this says a lot without even being in a group with you. A democratic voting system seems to be encouraging toxic behavior. While I understand it's easier when you're in a premade group, that's not always the case. Just because you're a mentor doesn't automatically mean you're skilled, by the way.

Your aggressive attitude towards others who disagree with you makes you come across as someone who was kicked for a reason and is now upset about it. If this happens to you regularly, maybe it's time for some self reflection perhaps you're the problem in this situation.

If you're AFK throughout the dungeon or not fulfilling your role, people will vote to kick you. Turning off the chat isn't a productive solution. I really can't stand people who do that because when I'm trying to explain something and getting no response, only for the person to then fail at the task, it drives me crazy especially when I’ve tried communicating directly and still get ignored. Other people feel the same way too, can you imagine?

If you don't want to interact with the community, then stick to playing with trust. if you're just in it for the mentor mount, let me give you some advice: mentors are supposed to teach. There's no way you can do that without communicating. At this point, maybe you shouldn't even be a mentor at all.

[Darkstride]

I'm not saying that abuse doesn't happen, but I wouldn't consider it a common occurrence. I've been playing since 1.0 and I've never been vote kicked from anything. I realize that my experience alone does not dictate how the entire player base experiences it, but neither does yours. I can only assume that if it's happening to you on a regular basis, there must be a trend with your behavior. People don't go into duties with a mindset of needing to replace someone. No one wants to wait around for that. I've had plenty of experiences where a party member is essentially dead weight, but we carry on and just complete the duty.

[LilimoLimomo]

If someone kicks you from the group, report it to a GM and move on.

I've reported an abusive kick before and did not receive a reply like the one Supersnow did, which suggests to me that kicks are not universally protected.

[Dante131]

If someone kicks you from the group, report it to a GM and move on.

I've reported an abusive kick before and did not receive a reply like the one Supersnow did, which suggests to me that kicks are not universally protected.

Honestly, I will never understand this mentality. If someone doesn’t want to play with you and uses a feature that's even encouraged by GMs ( happened to me was in jail because i told someone what i thought and i was not nice i agree. GM told me after i explained what happened that i should just start a vote kick next time), it’s EVERYONE´s right. Just because you think it's abuse doesn’t make it actual abuse. On what grounds should Square Enix take action? This just flooding the queue with unnecessary reports while real issues have to wait longer.

[LilimoLimomo]

Honestly, I will never understand this mentality. If someone doesn’t want to play with you and uses a feature that's even encouraged by GMs ( happened to me was in jail because i told someone what i thought and i was not nice i agree. GM told me after i explained what happened that i should just start a vote kick next time), it’s EVERYONE´s right. Just because you think it's abuse doesn’t make it actual abuse. On what grounds should Square Enix take action? This just flooding the queue with unnecessary reports while real issues have to wait longer.

Well, I'm convinced. Any person who wants to use the kick system for any reason is in the right and should be allowed to do so, as both God and Yoshi-P intended. I'm going to queue for dungeons with a trusted friend knowing that if at any point we have the desire to kick, we can do that with impunity. Don't like your glam? Kick. Don't like your race? Kick. Don't like your job? Kick. Just for giggles? Kick. Right before the end boss...wouldn't it be hilarious if we kicked? Just imagine the looks on their faces when they realize they don't get to finish the dungeon because we exercised our righteous power over them!

I genuinely can't think of any reason why a for-profit company like Square-Enix could have a vested interest in this sort of behavior not happening in the product that they want people to continue paying them to use.

To be clear, that was satire, and hopefully that explains why SE very much does care about whether their kick system is abused, in the same way they care about other forms of harassment and toxicity.