Should Skill Speed and Spell Speed still exist?

[Spectre_Shadow]

First time poster. There’s been a few posts over the years about sub-stat changes. I wanted to check the community’s vibe on two: skill speed and spell speed.



Would it be easier for all (devs and players) if they were removed entirely and replaced with a set GCD speed for each job? The damage boost can be added to other substats to compensate. 

The base being 2.5 seconds, and then some job being faster or slower depending on the feel they are going for with the job?

Surely less variance here will make job design and balancing a little easier? It’s also less burden on newer players learning the ins-and-outs of substats for higher-end content. 

It seems only a few roles care about SKS and SPS anyway these days. Most seem to be designed to function at a 2.5 GCD, with buffs to GCD speed either applied or added as a trait.

But when they do, if you ignore it through ignorance or not wanting to put in the work to gear properly for higher end content, it can really harm their ability to function effectively.

And there’s no heads up on this either other than community-led content. 

Realise this also raises questions around game complexity, and removing personalisation for each job via simplification. I know some love this level of granularity, planning an encounter down to the GCD through being able to tweak GCD speed for maximum impact. And it could make some roles markedly worse for sure if the decision around their GCD speed falls the wrong way. 



But what do other players think? And what am I missing here?

[Purrnauskis]

Yeah bro we should make gear even more streamlined with even less choices.

And what are you even saying? jobs already have faster GCD based on the job, namely

Monk passive (Greased Lightning); Samurai sustained buff (Fuka); Ninja sustained buff (Huton); Reaper temporary rotational burst (Enshroud); Bard temporary buff (Army's Paeon); Machinist temporary rotational burst (Hypercharge); Black Mage temporary rotational burst (Leylines); Summoner varying rotational cast/recast times (Garuda); Red Mage temporary rotational burst (melee combo); Astrologian temporary rotational burst (Astrodyne).

And there's different BIS for different GCD depending on class u play. but substats in this game are already a meme.

[Supersnow845]

Yeah bro we should make gear even more streamlined with even less choices.

And what are you even saying? jobs already have faster GCD based on the job, namely

Monk passive (Greased Lightning); Samurai sustained buff (Fuka); Ninja sustained buff (Huton); Reaper temporary rotational burst (Enshroud); Bard temporary buff (Army's Paeon); Machinist temporary rotational burst (Hypercharge); Black Mage temporary rotational burst (Leylines); Summoner varying rotational cast/recast times (Garuda); Red Mage temporary rotational burst (melee combo); Astrologian temporary rotational burst (Astrodyne).

And there's different BIS for different GCD depending on class u play. but substats in this game are already a meme.

I’m not suggesting removing haste stats but as for your last line at this point near every class in the game besides healers and arguably BLM who don’t care about haste their GCD BIS is basically always “as close to 2.5 as your gear will physically let you” because every class hates haste at this point

[Canadane]

If anything I think we should move in the opposite direction and go back to more stats to pick from, not less.
I miss accuracy. I miss enmity. I even miss STUN RESISTANCE.

Just give me something fun to toy around with even if it's not optimal.

[Aravell]

I think tuning your GCD speed to exactly what you want for a given fight is part of the charm of Skill/Spell Speed stats. Removing them would also remove any ability for the player to adjust their GCDs around inconvenient mechanics and also remove a lot of personalisation from builds.

Sure, most people tend to follow TheOneBestBuildAsMandatedByTheBalance(TM), but I personally enjoy tuning my own GCD speed to suit what I prefer rather than blindly chasing what other people do.

As for the system being unclear to new players, I think that maybe they should put some better tutorials into the game instead of removing every system that requires some additional knowledge.

[mallleable]

I think skill, and spell speed should be merged into a single haste stat, but speed shot NOT be removed. That being said, it might open up some weird things. but I think that ability recast times could also be affected by haste.

I also think they really need to look into making rotations a little more speed friendly.

[BabyYoda]

Remove:
Haste : spells speed / skill speed

Add new stats:
For melee:
Slash power / piers power / smash power

[PercibelTheren]

I would keep it but turn it into Haste. There is no good reason for the stats being separate.

Skillspeed and Spellspeed are victims of how static rotations are and the two minute meta. If those went away, we would have a lot more freedom. As it is, you want a specific spellspeed/skillspeed otherwise your rotation isn't aligned with 2 minute raid buffs, which becomes a problem if you're trying to really optimise.

[Anvaire]

I think this is a terrible idea. I cant comment on melee but on smn i need to adjust the amount of sps each patch / gear change so i can hit all the demi spells, i think its due to my ping, latency and that im on controller - its always a slight bump away from the standard bis melds. If you removed the option to do this, i would struggle to get the attacks out. I think when it comes down to it. Needlessly removing layers of choice will only end up with making the game more boring.

Besides where do you draw the line? Why not just remove str/ mnd/int and turn it into power while were at it? Or combine crit / DH and Det? Its a slippery slope and one that would ultimately leave the game dimminished.

But i am someone who would love to see some sort of talent tree, even if it was just cosmetic, just to give more choice and options.

[Valence]

As long as they stop adding speed on gear for jobs that can only function at 2.50s..