DRK Spam in Frontlines

[ZXN]

Out of curiosity, have they ever tuned PvP skills around frontlines? I feel like all the changes are based around CC.
I'm not a pvper though so I don't fully pay attention to the changes in patch notes.

All of the changes to skills are strictly CC focused. Some Limit Breaks do get their damage reduced though in Frontlines by like 10-20% sometimes, mainly the AOE ones like Scholar/Summoner/Dragoon/Dark Knight due to the whole potential to wipe out an entire alliance thing. They HAVE done it in the past, but when they do it sometimes just causes entire jobs to not be played because their Limit Break is "All they have going for them." I remember when Summoner's had -20% and they just kind of got Thanos Snapped from Frontlines for awhile. Then they reverted the change after awhile and suddenly you would see like 10 Summoners on a team all mass spamming LB and nuking whole alliances again.

It's pretty common to see Frontline games where a team/teams are just stacked with a bunch of max battle high players of specific jobs with dozens and dozens of kills and assists each since the mode is pretty much "solved". Dark Knight drags everyone in, Warrior LB prevents guard, Reaper/Dancer LB's also go through the guard shield and disperse/drag in players, then Astro/Summoner/Scholar/Dragoon just LB wipe nearly the entire alliance. Rinse and repeat for 10-15+ minutes, or in rare chances get the sub 10. That's current Frontlines.

I normally play Bard/White Mage/Red Mage in PVP, but I've seen enough to know when the DK and their team is "fishing" for that jump and drag, so I can normally avoid it most times. But there are 23 other people playing on the team, and there is a good chance you'll watch the same people die again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again to the exact same setup for an entire match and all you can really do is just deal with it or accept the "I just want the roulette exp" route and just barely try, or in some cases intentionally feed just to make it end faster.

Frontlines in it's current state is pretty much "solved" and there is not a whole anyone can do about it except deal with it. No amount of "Here is how you counter Dark Knight parties!" tips you'll see some people try to tell you in an attempt to downplay how current Frontlines plays are going to help you when server tick decides the Dark Knight's drag-in is going to work anyway despite you putting guard up preemptively on your screen and you can only watch as you and over half of your alliance die from half a dozen or more unavoidable AOE limit breaks.

[Muutaras]

I think the DRK meta has led to many questionable tactics if not outright cheating. If you've tried to engage in the DRK meta, you'll quickly notice how often people react to your Salt Earths, Living Deads, and Plunges in ways that seem too perfect—almost like they know your moves before you make them. Even tonight, I lost count of how many times I got hit by a SAM’s LB or got Imp’d by a WHM right as I jumped before I even had a chance to drop Salt and Darkness. It's way too coincidental to ignore. I think some players are resorting to unethical tools to keep up with DRKs.

Some players may just be aggressive and just parry the DRK straight away.
If it's not a typical "I'm here for my daily experience", but a confident player and knows pvp, he can most likely separate the priority target from the secondary ones. This also applies to instant stuns/controls after Guard. Just watch your enemy blue buff and be ready press control. With my ping I can press it in time when already less then 1 sec and buff about to go off from dude. It's why better never sit in Guard full timer. You need try close to end or in mid of timer press Sprint and try run from enemy, of course if situation good for it.
instant transformation into a small pig, a very good tactic to knock DRK off balance, and do not forget that this thing has a distance, just like your game model is already in a different point while your animation is happening.
If you play DRK, be prepared for Hate, and thank SE for such balance~^^~

[Senhime]

Just mark DRKs, NINs and prio targets. It's not that hard, I do it all the time and seem to have been the only one who does it. I also started the teabag concept before it went off. I mean seriously, I come back years later only to find out salty zoomers can't handle anything at all.

[Senhime]

Also years later and we still have no edit button. Shame SE is such a smol indie company

[ZXN]

Also years later and we still have no edit button. Shame SE is such a smol indie company

Errr...there is a edit post button though. It should appear in the bottom right corner next to the "reply" option of a post that you made.


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You can't on mobile sadly. That option isn't there.

I have been informed that this edit post option does not exist on mobile, which I did not know, so I apologize for giving half-wrong info. But it does exist on browser I swear.

[Thurmnmurmn]

Thanks for the answers about PvP tuning. Here's hoping one day SE will remember PvP is more than only cc.

Errr...there is a edit post button though. It should appear in the bottom right corner next to the "reply" option of a post that you made.

You can't on mobile sadly. That option isn't there.

[ZXN]

You can't on mobile sadly. That option isn't there.

Oh, I didn't know that since I don't use Mobile. Thank you for the clarification.
I guess in that case it really is just a "Square Is Smol Indie Company"

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

You can switch to the desktop version on mobile to get the same edit feature on PC.

[CamuiKushi]

Resilience buff from purify needs to be longer and it needs to nullify draw-in/knockback. I've been chain-pulled by WAR's one after another for what feels like half the map. Doesn't matter if you purified, you're going with them.
Other than that, play a job with group CC and CC the follow up as the DRK plunges. Even as a lone WAR you can interrupt a DRK dive which leaves them vulnerable for a counter from a team that's semi-competent.

I think the DRK meta has led to many questionable tactics if not outright cheating. If you've tried to engage in the DRK meta, you'll quickly notice how often people react to your Salt Earths, Living Deads, and Plunges in ways that seem too perfect—almost like they know your moves before you make them. Even tonight, I lost count of how many times I got hit by a SAM’s LB or got Imp’d by a WHM right as I jumped before I even had a chance to drop Salt and Darkness. It's way too coincidental to ignore. I think some players are resorting to unethical tools to keep up with DRKs.

People will tag enemy DRKs and use their CC when they see them running. You're giving an example of a counter-meta, which goes against the case the OP is trying to make.

[Senhime]

It's so weird how this game has diminishing returns PVE, but somehow it's an afterthought everywhere else. But then let's face it, so is PVP as well.

You design a functional PVP system you just copied from one MMO without understanding it. Then you abandon it, and then try to shoehorn in the MOBA concept because you have no idea what you're doing at all.

We know they can do better but they won't.