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  1. #51
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    Hallarem Aurealis
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    Ketenramm was a confusing addition aside for being a "memberberry" for people who read the lore. More evidence of the current writers not bothering to read the old story.

    "Toss ideas on the wall and see what sticks" is about experimenting with things that are passable, Yoshi-P. Not tossing literal feces in a wall and hoping they form a painting of a flowervase. Also where the hell are the Whalaqee aside from that one guy in the fishing quest? Werent they the ones supposed to live in the area rich in Ceruleum? Not fantasy texas and the rubber bullet rangers?
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    Endris Caemwynn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallarem View Post
    Ketenramm was a confusing addition aside for being a "memberberry" for people who read the lore. More evidence of the current writers not bothering to read the old story.

    "Toss ideas on the wall and see what sticks" is about experimenting with things that are passable, Yoshi-P. Not tossing literal feces in a wall and hoping they form a painting of a flowervase. Also where the hell are the Whalaqee aside from that one guy in the fishing quest? Werent they the ones supposed to live in the area rich in Ceruleum? Not fantasy texas and the rubber bullet rangers?
    The Whalaqee and other tribes based on native North Americans were supposed to be in Ceruleum-rich areas where they were being exploited by Ul'dahn oil barons, but that was seemingly either discarded or is in another part of Xak Tural that may or may not have been more or less eaten by the 9th. I lean towards the former considering the stuff surrounding the northern tribes was labeled as "problematic" as far back as 3.4 and the signs of their culture that we'd gotten are missing.
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  3. #53
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    Nathaniel Lenox
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    What bothered me the most with MSQ,
    there other flaws..but these are the biggest for me:

    [Wuk Lamat]
    - She takes way to much screentime and focus away from others characters!!! ;
    She is up in your face 80% of the time in MSQ!
    - She repeat her lines a lot. ( say much the same thing , over and over and over again)

    [Wol (your character)'s role/impact] felt like a support animal to wuk, we basically did nothing (said nothing) other than following her around..

    Also the Alexandria arch was way to short, It felt so rushed and half-baked.
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    SCH/AST/DNC/VPR/SMN

  4. #54
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    Baidur Haragin
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    Quote Originally Posted by honest_psycho View Post
    Since this thread is about the writing overall, let me give you another example that doesn't even contain Poochie.

    Do you remember Ketenramm?


    I seriously thought he'd turn out as some kind of traitor, but noooooo, he was just a regular adventurer who grew so weak of old age, that Zorall Ja could just knock him out for the key-stone, without ANY relevance for the overall story.
    Imagine if it turned out, that he was working with Zoraal Ja the whole time.
    Imagine the fight between the King and Zoraal Ja, but the last lethal blow? Done by Ketenramm!

    "But what woud his motive be?" you ask?

    Easy: Money and Fame

    Yes, it's that simple.
    Imagine if he was just an experienced and capable adventurer, who only came to Tural for the Golden City, for adventure.
    He teamed up with the king to increase the chances of finding it, but couldn't enter it because the king sealed it for safety reasons. And he couldn't just steal the keys and enter the city, as long as the Kingis around.

    All this years he waited for an opportunity to get rid of the King, so he could plunder the City all he wanted.

    When came the birth of Zuraal Ja.
    He trained him, influenced him to resent his father like a 200IQ mastermind and then used that resentment to propose an alliance with Zoraal Ja (both get rid of the King for their own reasons).

    Doesn't that sound more interesting?
    The overall theme of Ketenram could have been "adventurer but evil", as a foil for us, whos adventures also include saving people/doing good etc.
    But Ketenram? "Nah bro, just here for da money babyyyy!"

    Man, this story gets worse and worse the longer you think about it. It's amazing how garbage this is.
    I think just focusing more on Zoraal Ja's motive would've worked better. Since all the villains have to do with their place in the family (Bakool Ja Ja, Zoraal Ja, and Sphene have all the pressure on them as only/eldest children), it'd be too out of left field to have a twist villain who's just in it for greed. It wouldn't make thematic sense.

    IMO they didn't need to add Ketenramm in the first place. Maybe they have more in store with the patches, but so far his only purpose has been telling Zereel Ja to knock it off and getting the keystones stolen. The other characters are already pressed for time without him.
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  5. #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeastria View Post
    - She takes way to much screentime and focus away from others characters!!!
    Thing is, it's not really her fault? A character like her would usually be written over a longer timespan. Alisaie and Alphinaud started out struggling to find their place in the world like she did, and their arcs only wrapped up in Endwalker.
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    Dezka Sanrias
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    Quote Originally Posted by StormChase View Post
    I think just focusing more on Zoraal Ja's motive would've worked better. Since all the villains have to do with their place in the family (Bakool Ja Ja, Zoraal Ja, and Sphene have all the pressure on them as only/eldest children), it'd be too out of left field to have a twist villain who's just in it for greed. It wouldn't make thematic sense.
    ...
    I mean, I was just spitballing, there are dozens of ways to write this better, your's included.

    But to elaborate further; One of the themes of DT is "Adventure" (with Ketenram as a foil, a "bad" kind of adventurer)

    Another theme is "becoming a ruler" and how to deal with traitors etc.
    How it's not always "peace and happyness" and sunshine and rainbows, and you have to watch out for bad actors.
    The fact that Ketenrams betrayal would come out of field could have been a valuable lesson for Wuk Lamat to never be complacent or too trusting (like Alphinaud with the Crytalbraves).

    But that would require writers who actually know what they are doing.
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