Give healers dps

[Midare]

Why would I be pushing regen

The tanks inbuilt oGCD heals are better than my actual GCD regen

If you are asking the healer to use regen you really should be asking the tank what the hell they are doing

There's one tank with a built in regen on a cd. The other have to either cast it, rely on a single burst of heal, or if they crit or not.

I won't be asking healers to use regen. I use it because it comes in handy instead of expecting the tank to do all the job because runs are supposed to be a combined team effort.

But then again, seeing your response about how you don't even esuna unless it's doom... you just want them to add to your toolkit when you can't be bothered to do the basics, just as I said in the first place.

I think the thing is that the game I believe only teaches you once in Hall of Novice (yes, optional content) about using Esuna on removable debuff, plus many debuffs you see from doing the dungeons etc. on MSQ aren't removable.

On a similar issue, it seems like that many tanks don't know the red blinking castbars can be interrupted; personally I wish we still had Silent Dusk so that I could interrupt by myself when playing healer.

The DT healer role quest made it a point to remind healers Esuna is a thing. It wasn't even subtle about it.

I'll give you that doom is not even a common mechanic, so I really don't fault them when I see someone else healing and not dispelling it. They should have included more significant debuffs that should be dispelled early on to train healers.

But yeah, if someone did the role quest and still won't use Esuna because "my healer dps"...

[Supersnow845]

There's one tank with a built in regen on a cd. The other have to either cast it, rely on a single burst of heal, or if they crit or not.

I won't be asking healers to use regen. I use it because it comes in handy instead of expecting the tank to do all the job because runs are supposed to be a combined team effort.

But then again, seeing your response about how you don't even esuna unless it's doom... you just want them to add to your toolkit when you can't be bothered to do the basics, just as I said in the first place.



The DT healer role quest made it a point to remind healers Esuna is a thing. It wasn't even subtle about it.

I'll give you that doom is not even a common mechanic, so I really don't fault them when I see someone else healing and not dispelling it. They should have included more significant debuffs that should be dispelled early on to train healers.

But yeah, if someone did the role quest and still won't use Esuna because "my healer dps"...

If you don’t need to be esuna’ed because it’s a dot or something that I can cover with oGCD’s then esuna is a waste, same as pressing a heal that costs damage when the tank can heal themselves without losing damage

Using your kit when you don’t have to just because it’s there isn’t a mark of a good healer it’s a mark of a healer who doesn’t understand their toolkit and how it interplay's with other jobs

But sure please go on acting like because the role quests spent more time drilling esuna into you than actually expecting you to be a half way competent healer that pressing. Buttons just because they exist makes you a good healer

[Midare]

If you don’t need to be esuna’ed because it’s a dot or something that I can cover with oGCD’s then esuna is a waste, same as pressing a heal that costs damage when the tank can heal themselves without losing damage

Literally everything you can dispell it's detrimental in one way or another.

Doom kills you, blind signifies a dps loss, slow will make it so people take longer to go on to the next part whatever it is and charm will keep anyone from dpsing.
All of them would delay a fight. You have no reason not to do it, specially if your goal is to get things done quick.

You're not making up for it if you don't esuna and instead continue pressing one.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I specifically don’t cast esuna if I don’t need to and it doesn’t affect your DPS

If you got doom or slow or something I’ll esuna you, if you got a DOT or heavy then I’ll just handle it without esuna

Using esuna on something just because you can isn’t always a good choice

[...]But then again, seeing your response about how you don't even esuna unless it's doom... you just want them to add to your toolkit when you can't be bothered to do the basics, just as I said in the first place[...]

He literally says "when needed".

I.e. Esuna is not needed when your next assize/unused benison/tetra/coincidental AoEs from Asylum/Lilybell can fix the DoT damage. Why waste the GCD when you can keep dpsing AND keep your ally alive?

[Midare]

He literally says "when needed".

I.e. Esuna is not needed when your next assize/unused benison/tetra/coincidental AoEs from Asylum/Lilybell can fix the DoT damage. Why waste the GCD when you can keep dpsing AND keep your ally alive?

So you rather waste tetra or assize on a dot...?

[Supersnow845]

I specifically don’t cast esuna if I don’t need to and it doesn’t affect your DPS

If you got doom or slow or something I’ll esuna you, if you got a DOT or heavy then I’ll just handle it without esuna

Using esuna on something just because you can isn’t always a good choice

[Chajii]

I specifically don’t cast esuna if I don’t need to and it doesn’t affect your DPS

If you got doom or slow or something I’ll esuna you, if you got a DOT or heavy then I’ll just handle it without esuna

Using esuna on something just because you can isn’t always a good choice

I think we here understand that we don't need Esuna for everything, more like many healers don't use it on Doom or Slow (GCD speed), and maybe Heavy when movement matters

You can see a lot of people dying at the first boss of the 3rd HW alliance raid because there are some healers ignoring Doom.

[Jeeqbit]

Using esuna on something just because you can isn’t always a good choice

True, and I don't use it on stuff like a DoT in many cases (unless it hits real hard), but a really good place to test people's Esuna knowledge is O4 and of course, the majority of the time healers don't tend to Esuna the Doom.

I think the thing is that the game I believe only teaches you once in Hall of Novice (yes, optional content) about using Esuna on removable debuff

Role Quests actually require you to use your role properly. I remember in all the Role Quests that I actually had to heal as a healer for example, and retreating into my DPS habit was clearly sending me on a path to nearly failing it. That's why they require you to do them for battle mentor status.

many tanks don't know the red blinking castbars can be interrupted

Definitely true, but again if they do the Role Quests for tanks then they are forced to cross paths with it and struggle to beat it if they don't know to interrupt. I've had to help a few people who struggled with the quests thinking there was impossible damage that they simply didn't interrupt.

i mean, i think the real issue is that there are too many healing tools.

In most content, I agree with you, but there have been odd dungeons here and there, and some savage raids, that have actually forced me to burn through my entire heal kit and discover that there is sort of a "rotation" and "flow" to all these heals. It's just that you start to forget this when a lot of content can be mostly handled by the likes of Whispering Dawn and Fey Blessing.

It's not as simple as asking SE to make every boss AoE 1 shot without at least 20% mit on it or having the boss do so many raid wides that healers need to be healing up 1 every 15 secs or so. there are simply way too many defensive tools in the game period

It is that simple though. All I ever want is for my mit to matter. So if a raid-wide doesn't wipe with no Reprisal then it's not forcing any of us to do something. It might be the healer that shields or the tank that reprisals or the MCH that uses raid-wide mit, but someone should be required to press it. But this is a wasted argument because SE will only design High-End duties that way and have openly stated dungeons are designed not to kill unmitigated (and from past experience, at min item level even food alone allows you to survive hits unmitigated).

[CaptainLagbeard]

Role Quests actually require you to use your role properly. I remember in all the Role Quests that I actually had to heal as a healer for example, and retreating into my DPS habit was clearly sending me on a path to nearly failing it. That's why they require you to do them for battle mentor status.

I'm pretty sure the DT role quest fight you don't even need to heal the NPC you're with as she has a heal that she can use.

ShB and EW Healer Role Quests did actually require you to be more of a healer.

[Jeeqbit]

I'm pretty sure the DT role quest fight you don't even need to heal the NPC you're with as she has a heal that she can use.

I don't even remember it at this point. I just wanted to get through them. Between all the lost sleep at DT release it's a blur. But I remember it tested me properly in EW.

ShB and EW Healer Role Quests did actually require you to be more of a healer.

The good thing is that you are required to do at least 1 ShB role quest for MSQ. The bad thing is that which role you are tested on depends what you do the MSQ with and doesn't extend to all the alt roles people play.