Give healers dps

[Supersnow845]

Its about Damage not Mistakes, i never said they healing bad or anything its straight up damage and if i check logs and see dot uptime 40-60%, uptime around 60-70% in fights were you dont need to move too much, its bad its straight up bad and this includes from daily roulettes (which i do not so often) to savage raids and ex trials

So they have met the baseline of healing

What do you expect out of a role that literally doesn’t challenge you at all. Those people have met squares expected baseline of healing, they have nowhere to go other than going from 100 broil to 150 broil for a shiny number on FFlogs

If you expect thorough mediocrity that is exactly what you are going to get out of a role. Actually giving healers a ceiling that’s not stapled to the floor is how you alleviate people playing at the bare minimum expectations because the role doesn’t expect anything else out of you

[Aravell]

Complaining that healers don't have perfect DoT uptime in casual roulette content is a level of pedantic that I didn't know was possible, but here we are.

The funny numbers website was a mistake.

[AvoSturmfaust]

So they have met the baseline of healing

What do you expect out of a role that literally doesn’t challenge you at all. Those people have met squares expected baseline of healing, they have nowhere to go other than going from 100 broil to 150 broil for a shiny number on FFlogs

If you expect thorough mediocrity that is exactly what you are going to get out of a role. Actually giving healers a ceiling that’s not stapled to the floor is how you alleviate people playing at the bare minimum expectations because the role doesn’t expect anything else out of you

That may be true but consider the fact that the class isnt challenging and people still not able to perform when it comes to the dps aspect, do you really wanna add even more dps options for healer then?

Complaining that healers don't have perfect DoT uptime in casual roulette content is a level of pedantic that I didn't know was possible, but here we are.

The funny numbers website was a mistake.

Imagine people playing more then casual roulettes, guess thats something new for you huh, i exactly dont care about numbers in casual roulettes i usually dont even run roulettes that often, but i do care when it comes to savage and ex trials.

[Aravell]

Imagine people playing more then casual roulettes, guess thats something new for you huh, i exactly dont care about numbers in casual roulettes i usually dont even run roulettes that often, but i do care when it comes to savage and ex trials.

You're the one that mentioned daily roulettes in your post. Don't mention roulettes if you're talking about extremes/savage maybe?

[Supersnow845]

That may be true but consider the fact that the class isnt challenging and people still not able to perform when it comes to the dps aspect, do you really wanna add even more dps options for healer then?



Imagine people playing more then casual roulettes, guess thats something new for you huh, i exactly dont care about numbers in casual roulettes i usually dont even run roulettes that often, but i do care when it comes to savage and ex trials.

Again that’s setting wonky expectations then wondering why people don’t meet them. The DPS checks in the current tier are an absolute joke, if my healing is basically half unnecessary and my only damage options are spamming 111111111111 then what incentive do I as a player have to improve (note I’m not talking about me directly I’m just saying in general)

When there is no expectation of performing well, no punishment for not performing well and now benefit to actually performing well you are going to get the role filled with people who are thoroughly mediocre at it

It’s not a matter of being unable to perform any better it’s a matter of not caring to because you get no personal enjoyment out of it. I’ve 100% let my DOT drift all over the place in savage fights because the encounter isn’t challenging my to be better

[mallleable]

Healers should have better DPS spam rotations. Like spam isn't bad, but it is really easy to make bad spam -- which is where healers are at right now.

[Midare]

Healers: "We want more dps!"
The rest: "Can you guys at least dispell?"
Healers: "No."
The rest: "Use regen?"
Healers: "DPS loss!"

Honestly... maybe start thinking about managing your toolkit before asking for more offensive spells when most I've seen can't do the basics? I'm saying this as someone who's maining healer almost exclusively in max level content and the amount of healers that can't be bothered it's legitimately infuriating.

[Supersnow845]

Healers: "We want more dps!"
The rest: "Can you guys at least dispell?"
Healers: "No."
The rest: "Use regen?"
Healers: "DPS loss!"

Honestly... maybe start thinking about managing your toolkit before asking for more offensive spells when most I've seen can't do the basics? I'm saying this as someone who's maining healer almost exclusively in max level content and the amount of healers that can't be bothered it's legitimately infuriating.

Why would I be pushing regen

The tanks inbuilt oGCD heals are better than my actual GCD regen

If you are asking the healer to use regen you really should be asking the tank what the hell they are doing

[Jeeqbit]

I have the opposite experience. From what people say about their roulette experiences, I guess the playerbase of Zodiark is full of hypercompetent, god-tier players because things very rarely go wrong and when they do, one person dies, MAYBE. Wipes only happen in brand new content.

Things do go wrong but usually it's by the players you'd expect (sprouts and returners). And often you can just patch up their mistake with an oGCD heal or Esuna unless they are really not using their head to learn and observe their surroundings (I had a few such cases recently).

But there are healers that, instead of just using an oGCD heal will just keep 100% uptime on adlo "in case" people take damage so pre-empt their mistakes. Nobody notices this, because it's extremely, extremely common and succeeds at preventing wipes, but I do see it a lot, just like with White Mages spamming cure.

I can see the argument of preventing mistakes from killing people by applying shields, but I don't personally pre-empt mistakes - only unavoidable damage (unless there's something like an aoe marker being overlapped on me and I can't move away).

So the argument then is: is a god-tier healer one that spams DPS and only prevents unavoidable damage? Is a god-tier healer one that prevents all damage by keeping shields up 100% of the time?

The answer is it doesn't matter because you probably don't even notice in most runs unless the DPS of the other roles is extraordinarily low.

Healers: "We want more dps!"
The rest: "Can you guys at least dispell?"
Healers: "No."

For sure, like 50-75% of the time healers don't even Esuna...

[Chajii]

Healers: "We want more dps!"
The rest: "Can you guys at least dispell?"
Healers: "No."
The rest: "Use regen?"
Healers: "DPS loss!"

I think the thing is that the game I believe only teaches you once in Hall of Novice (yes, optional content) about using Esuna on removable debuff, plus many debuffs you see from doing the dungeons etc. on MSQ aren't removable.

On a similar issue, it seems like that many tanks don't know the red blinking castbars can be interrupted; personally I wish we still had Silent Dusk so that I could interrupt by myself when playing healer.