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    Sena Bryer is right: the hatred that Smile gets is highly problematic

    As Sena Bryer has said:

    Smile is straight up Black Gospel music, and the fact that it's getting a lot of hate from "certain sections" of gamers? Probably not a coincidence.
    You can see her tweet here: https://twitter.com/senabryer/status...50775403815132

    I think this is a timely reminder to us in the FF14 community right now. With the hatred that Dawntrail is getting - including towards all its elements like the music Smile or the character Wuk Lamat - we must learn to separate criticism from bigotry.

    Sena Bryer is completely right here. She is pointing out how the hatred towards Smile can often be a result of bigotry and intolerance than actual substance. I believe Sena Bryer will also agree with me that FF14 has up to now often used White Classical music (like orchestral music or opera-style music). So the use of Black Gospel music is a welcome change and a breath of fresh air. But apparently this musical diversity has provoked certain elements of the playerbase into outrage mode for bigoted reasons. As a community we need to stand against this bigotry and look at ourselves and ask ourselves: are we living up to FF14's ideals of tolerance, acceptance, and hope?

    Of course, this does not apply to everyone. As Sena Bryer has said: "Weird how so many people are getting defensive to this instead of going 'ah, she's not talking about me though.'"
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    What even is "Black Gospel music"?? It's just "Gospel music". Why do we go out of our way to segregate and divide ourselves??

    And how on Earth is Smile supposed to be Gospel music? Just because it includes a choir? It doesn't have the typical deep soulful vocals.

    It's a song for a Japanese game, composed by a Japanese man and sang by a Japanese American woman. It's included in a Latin America-themed expansion and is performed during a coronation and a bomb-making montage.

    It literally has nothing to do with Black people, Christianity, churches or anything of the sort.

    Sena Bryer was getting a lot of backlash for her #1 below par performance and #2 her very toxic stream of consciousness on Twitter, so she decided to drag the Black community into her own drama as a distraction, and decided to paint us, the FF community in general as racist.

    I like Smile, I genuinely do, but the hate It's getting is also entirely justified as it's uses are very out of place, especially in that bomb-making scene.

    No, people who dislike it are absolutely not racist and Sena should be ashamed for using Black people as a meatshield like that.
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    Last edited by Willemdarke; 08-15-2024 at 12:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willemdarke View Post
    What even is "Black Gospel music"??
    Gospel music by black folks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinku_Tachi View Post
    Before I clicked on the link I was like 100 bucks it would be He's God.
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    Okay boomer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    Before I clicked on the link I was like 100 bucks it would be He's God.
    It's a masterpiece. I'm not even a christian and I love it, lol


    Quote Originally Posted by Papayatar View Post
    I just wanna share this video again cuz, example of Black Gospel and the YTber/Vocal Teacher who breaks down the song does other Black Gospel/Religious song break downs that also hightlights some of the specific singing/vocal stuff that is common in black religious/gospel music.
    A+ video! ^_^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinku_Tachi View Post
    I just wanna share this video again cuz, example of Black Gospel and the YTber/Vocal Teacher who breaks down the song does other Black Gospel/Religious song break downs that also hightlights some of the specific singing/vocal stuff that is common in black religious/gospel music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papayatar View Post
    I just wanna share this video again cuz, example of Black Gospel and the YTber/Vocal Teacher who breaks down the song does other Black Gospel/Religious song break downs that also hightlights some of the specific singing/vocal stuff that is common in black religious/gospel music.
    Thanks again for sharing this video. They earned an new subscriber (me), thanks to you.

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    Finally, I was looking for a post like this. You look up "Gospel" and it's mostly black singers that come up, just call it gospel ffs. Calling it "black gospel" is giving me "black job" vibes.
    I'mma keep it a buck with you. We don't mind the term "black gospel"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willemdarke View Post
    What even is "Black Gospel music"?? It's just "Gospel music". Why do we go out of our way to segregate and divide ourselves??

    And how on Earth is Smile supposed to be Gospel music? Just because it includes a choir? It doesn't have the typical deep soulful vocals.

    It's a song for a Japanese game, composed by a Japanese man and sang by a Japanese American woman. It's included in a Latin America-themed expansion and is performed during a coronation and a bomb-making montage.

    It literally has nothing to do with Black people, Christianity, churches or anything of the sort.

    Sena Bryer was getting a lot of backlash for her #1 below par performance and #2 her very toxic stream of consciousness on Twitter, so she decided to drag the Black community into her own drama as a distraction, and decided to paint us, the FF community in general as racist.

    I like Smile, I genuinely do, but the hate It's getting is also entirely justified as it's uses are very out of place, especially in that bomb-making scene.

    No, people who dislike it are absolutely not racist and Sena should be ashamed for using Black people as a meatshield like that.
    Finally, I was looking for a post like this. You look up "Gospel" and it's mostly black singers that come up, just call it gospel ffs. Calling it "black gospel" is giving me "black job" vibes.
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    *reviews OP's history*
    *returns to the 2.0 thread*

    Edit: Nevermind, the 2.0 thread was deleted. Maybe this one will be too.
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    Last edited by ZephyrMenodora; 08-15-2024 at 12:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora View Post
    *reviews OP's history*
    *returns to the 2.0 thread*

    Edit: Nevermind, the 2.0 thread was deleted. Maybe this one will be too.
    Sucks. Speaking the truth is not wanted but casually just calling huge parts of the community racist or transphobe is fine...
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