How to fix the healer problem.

[Supersnow845]

Don't healers have as many heal buttons as a DPS has DPS and as many damage buttons (if not way more) as DPS has defense and self sustain?

What are we asking for exactly? When I heal (I main DPS) I play SGE and am fully engaged when running a dungeon or other content. Also play on controller so I always have to bounce from my back bar (double tab or R1) to my main bar. It feels pretty busy. It would suck to have to do a DPS combo and manage healing.

“Don’t healers have as many heal buttons as DPS have DPS buttons”

Why exactly do I need this many healing buttons, in casual content I can basically get away with just using kardia and kerechole, even in savage half my kit doesn’t get used half the time.

For the DPS all their DPS buttons gets used functionally on CD, with healers most of the time the vast majority of your kit is being wasted. This is especially bad in say a dungeon, why do I have druachole, taurochole, haima amd soteria as single target heals and physis, kerechole, ixochole, panhaima, holos, pnuema amd philosophia as “AOE heal but perfectly valid as a single target heal” when the tank barely needs me to heal them at all

Having this many healing buttons would be fine if the game ever actually made me press half of them, instead we have 10% damage buttons and 90% healing buttons but spend 95% of our time doing damage and 5% heLing

[IDontPetLalas]

Don't healers have as many heal buttons as a DPS has DPS and as many damage buttons (if not way more) as DPS has defense and self sustain?

What are we asking for exactly? When I heal (I main DPS) I play SGE and am fully engaged when running a dungeon or other content. Also play on controller so I always have to bounce from my back bar (double tab or R1) to my main bar. It feels pretty busy. It would suck to have to do a DPS combo and manage healing.

First of all, as you say- you don't main a healer, so keep that in mind- you likely don't have the same perspective as someone who does. Your "fully engaged" in a dungeon could be a snoozefest for a veteran healer, I don't know what "other content" is, so it's hard to say.

Secondly, " It would suck to have to do a DPS combo and manage healing" - I have yet to see someone propose a DPS rotation similar to what DPS jobs have for healers. In literally thousands of posts.

[Sensui]

For the DPS all their DPS buttons gets used functionally on CD, with healers most of the time the vast majority of your kit is being wasted.

Not true. I don't spam a ranged attack or my AOEs other than specific situations. I have a standard combo I repeat into infinity and a burst button or 3 every 2 minutes. It's not that amazing on this side either, guys.

[GartredZW]

Don't healers have as many heal buttons as a DPS has DPS and as many damage buttons (if not way more) as DPS has defense and self sustain?

What are we asking for exactly? When I heal (I main DPS) I play SGE and am fully engaged when running a dungeon or other content. Also play on controller so I always have to bounce from my back bar (double tab or R1) to my main bar. It feels pretty busy. It would suck to have to do a DPS combo and manage healing.

Let's try to apply that to tanks then while we're at it.
So now Tanks have 3 attack buttons, and 24 mitigation buttons to use. In casual content, only a couple of them are actually necessary though. And even in high end, once your group gets good enough, you stop needing most of them.
Sound fun? because to me that sounds really boring. Good thing tanks have an actual damage rotation to do in all content so they don't even notice or care how little mitigation is actually needed.

[Sensui]

First of all, as you say- you don't main a healer, so keep that in mind- you likely don't have the same perspective as someone who does. Your "fully engaged" in a dungeon could be a snoozefest for a veteran healer, I don't know what "other content" is, so it's hard to say.

Maybe. I'm not a terrible healer but not the best either. Playing other jobs helps you understand the battle better, I feel, and gives you a new appreciation for the job you love.

[Connor]

. Good thing tanks have an actual damage rotation to do in all content so they don't even notice or care how little mitigation is actually needed.

Uhh, don’t they? I just started levelling my Paladin past 90 (I did 50-90 with PotD, PvP and Bozja don’t judge me lol) with barely any knowledge of it whatsoever and literally the first thing I noticed was how frequently I kept getting away with not having any mitigations up lol. At first I thought it was either my gear or just the first DT dungeon. I’m at Skynote Cenote now and really can’t say it feels much different. It took me longer to realize Goring Blade still exists as a weird ‘nuke’ thing for Flight or Flight lol (I put it on hotbar 2 so I didn’t see the flashing lights telling me to use it after popping FoF lol the instructions were NOT clear lol) . No amount of ‘damage rotation’ could cover that up lol.

[Supersnow845]

Not true. I don't spam a ranged attack or my AOEs other than specific situations. I have a standard combo I repeat into infinity and a burst button or 3 every 2 minutes. It's not that amazing on this side either, guys.

So you have 24 damage buttons are you regularly use 23 of them with the 24th being for certain disconnection situations and 5 of the 23 being for AOE, so you are functionally using them on CD, certainly far more than a healer is using their bloated healing kit

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Thats cause there is no all in one fix, some group will have issues no matter whats is changed. As it stands a majority of JP is happy with current healer while western players still find them on the boring side; more support, more dps, more heals, too dull, too complex, too many buttons...

This is also compounded by the fact that our issue doesn't belong to just one facet. You (general you) can't really just single out an issue [A] without speaking of issue [B], [C], [D], and so on.

I.e. having 70% plus buttons of your kits being dedicated for healing is not a problem on its own. But once you add more and more 'tiny issues' on top of that like "lack of damage to heal" ; "lack of nuance to heal (boss forcing you to move so you can't just sit still to cast)" ; "too many collective sustenance between 4-8 players", these compound with each other, leading to the point where you might be asking "Ok so since I'm not going to heal much, what else am I going to do when I don't need to do that?" From this point you'll start noticing even more tiny issues such as "lol 1 2 1 1 1 1" ; "no (de)buff to upkeep" ; "lack of job kit interaction". Axing any one of them will not fix the rest in the feedback loop.

All of these adds up and like you've said, there is no all in one fix.

[Sensui]

So you have 24 damage buttons are you regularly use 23 of them with the 24th being for certain disconnection situations and 5 of the 23 being for AOE, so you are functionally using them on CD, certainly far more than a healer is using their bloated healing kit

8 buttons for the basic combo rotation.

1 button every minute that shortcuts the combo into 3 buttons (same buttons)

1 button that's hit when points start filling up.

1 more button every 2 minutes.

So much engagement!!!!

[Sensui]

Also.. We gonna talk about the BLM fire 4 (speaking about only hitting 1 button) spam? How exhilarating. I get all tingly when thinking about it.