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    Mona Valenti
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    I empathized with the healers for awhile but when healers refuse to heal people and let them die to burns or unavoidable attacks then I can't empathize or care anymore. Healers complain they don'5 have anything to heal and when they do, they cast glare instead. Maybe this is why they made tanks have more mits since healers won't do their job anyway.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumblecakes View Post
    I empathized with the healers for awhile but when healers refuse to heal people and let them die to burns or unavoidable attacks then I can't empathize or care anymore. Healers complain they don'5 have anything to heal and when they do, they cast glare instead. Maybe this is why they made tanks have more mits since healers won't do their job anyway.
    “I had some bad experience with some healers so I decided I’m suddenly fine condemning the role the being pure unmitigated garbage”

    Would you like to hear about my stories of poor tanks and DPS and why that means they should also be flattened into hollow shells of the classes they once were
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    CaptainLagbeard's Avatar
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumblecakes View Post
    I empathized with the healers for awhile but when healers refuse to heal people and let them die to burns or unavoidable attacks then I can't empathize or care anymore. Healers complain they don'5 have anything to heal and when they do, they cast glare instead. Maybe this is why they made tanks have more mits since healers won't do their job anyway.
    When you have literally nothing to do in a fight, it becomes very easy to just stop paying attention to anything in the game.
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    Percibel Theren
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumblecakes View Post
    I empathized with the healers for awhile but when healers refuse to heal people and let them die to burns or unavoidable attacks then I can't empathize or care anymore. Healers complain they don'5 have anything to heal and when they do, they cast glare instead. Maybe this is why they made tanks have more mits since healers won't do their job anyway.
    Are those healers in the room with us right now? I keep hearing about healers who "refuse to heal" and yet, in over 2 years of playing this game pretty much daily, I have NEVER seen that happen. Sure, there are some people who are new/tired/just plain bad but why is that what all healers are measured by to people like you? I could just as easily point to all the garbage tanks who don't know they have Rampart by level 100. Nobody is saying they should lose their DPS rotations because they clearly can't manage both that and also mitigation. What about the DPS who forget their raid buffs and defensive cooldowns? Or better yet - the DPS who can't even do their rotation right? Let's just remove all of those as well, since clearly they can't do their job anyway. See how stupid your point was yet?
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    Connor Whelan
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    “I had some bad experience with some healers so I decided I’m suddenly fine condemning the role the being pure unmitigated garbage”

    Would you like to hear about my stories of poor tanks and DPS and why that means they should also be flattened into hollow shells of the classes they once were
    Uh, they kinda already did that to DPS after people kept complaining about raid buffs not being aligned in Stormblood lol. ‘One person did the thing wrong so let’s just completely dismantle that entire system and gradually replace everything with an on-the-rails button press once every 120 seconds’. Super engaging.

    Like, this seems to be exactly how devs are making their decisions lol. ‘One guy had one bad experience with a Bard not using their songs, quick let’s make them all vacuous dps cool downs with a tacked on support effect’, ‘That one Summoner didn’t get 100% uptime on their DoTs better immediately delete them all and rework the entire job into ‘baby’s first job’ lol
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    Tani Shirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    Uh, they kinda already did that to DPS after people kept complaining about raid buffs not being aligned in Stormblood lol. ‘One person did the thing wrong so let’s just completely dismantle that entire system and gradually replace everything with an on-the-rails button press once every 120 seconds’. Super engaging.

    Like, this seems to be exactly how devs are making their decisions lol. ‘One guy had one bad experience with a Bard not using their songs, quick let’s make them all vacuous dps cool downs with a tacked on support effect’, ‘That one Summoner didn’t get 100% uptime on their DoTs better immediately delete them all and rework the entire job into ‘baby’s first job’ lol
    Summoner may be a decent enough example, but the changes to raidbuffs had almost nothing to do with skill and almost everything to do with the compatibility of different jobs. No amount of skill makes your CDs that only meet up with the rest of your party's once per 6 minutes meet up any faster.
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    Coven Whitewolf
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyQueen View Post
    I said this time and time again. So I am making a post about it. Increase tank health, reduce mits and sustain, make mob damage high and sustained with some burst while keeping it at a level that won't strain healers but keep them engaged. Boom problem solved.

    Putting this here then not gonna bother replying because a bunch of tanks will start crying at these suggestions.
    And I'll also say it again - I am glad that none of the player base is involved with game balance. It would continue to remain and grow into a worse shit show. You're "I'm gonna bitch about this here and not reply, that'll show 'em!" mentality is just complaining really with nothing more than yet another post about an issue that's already well-known to everyone involved combined with lackadaisical approach that will cause other issues.

    Then you come back to bitch at others... the direct opposite of what you said you'd do.
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    Tatanpa Nononpa
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    Zalera
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    White Mage Lv 100
    To be fair, I think "healer in FFXIV" is the role that has to deal with the most amount of "rare events." For example:
    • Most parties are not clown cars that stand in the bad.
    • Most encounters don't afflict unavoidable debuffs that can be Esuna'ed.
    • Most encounters don't afflict unavoidable, Esuna'ble debuffs that hurt so much that it's worth while to do so.
    • Most encounters don't afflict bleeds that truly hurt.
    If I, as a healer, zone out between unavoidable raid-wides, that's why. There's little incentive to pay constant attention looking for a rare event that, in many cases, won't actually wipe the party.
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