The death of savage raiding and SE's lack of action

[All_Nonsense]

Anyone's who's been savage raiding recently has definitely become familiar with the sight: Over a dozen parties filled with 0 healer's in sight. Spending your night sitting idle for 3 hours and only actually raiding for 2. Is this the premium experience you wanted us to enjoy this expansion YoshiP? Is this what's going to keep people paying your company's light bill (and pay them to develop terrible games that bomb on release)?

This isn't something that the players are doing wrong, it's something that SquareEnix and CBU3 have done wrong. They've repeatedly failed to address complaints from the playerbase over a significant period of time and now there is such a healer scarcity that people are outright quitting savage or planning to quit after this tier.

There's plenty of ways to incentivize healers to play high level content. Even something as simple as special mounts, minions, and achievements to bring out the achievement and mount hunters. SE has done nothing, and now this is the result. ig it's my fault for not enjoying the gameplay of healer either. Mea culpa Mr YoshiP sir I'll make sure I look forward to it harder.

[Ayan_Calvesse]

How strange, I was lead to believe the strike was "negligible" and that we had tons of scab healers spamming "thanks for the fast queues" to make up for it. Clearly the solution is to just stack more WARs for healing instead, or just bring one, I hear they're *wonderful* at soloing these days while everyone watches~

...I feel the need to specify that I'm being sarcastic, and I'm quite aware of the Healer Strike and support it, I just find it funny that the impact is finally being felt after it being dismissed for so long.

Probably a good idea to specify your being sarcastic because the metrics suggest there are many clearing the raid tier very quickly...so I don't think healers need free stuff for selecting a role.

[Shurrikhan]

Probably a good idea to specify your being sarcastic because the metrics suggest there are many clearing the raid tier very quickly...so I don't think healers need free stuff for selecting a role.

I'm searching for the part of the post you quoted that asks for healers to have "free stuff", or the any request from the healer strike thread in excess of an actual, non-redundant, non-gutted role. ...Still not finding it...

[Havenchild]

How strange, I was lead to believe the strike was "negligible" and that we had tons of scab healers spamming "thanks for the fast queues" to make up for it. Clearly the solution is to just stack more WARs for healing instead, or just bring one, I hear they're *wonderful* at soloing these days while everyone watches~

...I feel the need to specify that I'm being sarcastic, and I'm quite aware of the Healer Strike and support it, I just find it funny that the impact is finally being felt after it being dismissed for so long.

Healer role has the same amount of absense in PF as every expansion around this time in the raid tier since SB. Looking on Friday or Saturday night has always been long fills especially in a tier where a good chunk of the PF base have cleared already.

The only role thats noticeably different this time around are tank roles, which seem harder to fill than normal.

As someone who has been PF raiding on 3 separate characters for 3 diff expansions, there is nothing unique to the Healerstrike that is causing a shortage now. If anything what's causing shortages is that PF is proceeding through the raid tier far faster than previous and so the falloff has been quicker overall as players either leave the raiding scene or clear earlier in the week.

To say otherwise is simply to try and provide credibility to a failed movement. More people cleared this tier than any other in the last few expansions, so clearly there were healers to accomodate those parties. Alot more.

[Supersnow845]

Healer role has the same amount of absense in PF as every expansion around this time in the raid tier since SB. Looking on Friday or Saturday night has always been long fills especially in a tier where a good chunk of the PF base have cleared already.

The only role thats noticeably different this time around are tank roles, which seem harder to fill than normal.

As someone who has been PF raiding on 3 separate characters for 3 diff expansions, there is nothing unique to the Healerstrike that is causing a shortage now. If anything what's causing shortages is that PF is proceeding through the raid tier far faster than previous and so the falloff has been quicker overall as players either leave the raiding scene or clear earlier in the week.

To say otherwise is simply to try and provide credibility to a failed movement. More people cleared this tier than any other in the last few expansions, so clearly there were healers to accomodate those parties. Alot more.

Acshooly guys you shouldn’t listen to all these various listening posts complaining about this, you should listen to me who has one anecdote to their credit

[Havenchild]

Acshooly guys you shouldn’t listen to all these various listening posts complaining about this, you should listen to me who has one anecdote to their credit

And yet I see no counter argument to the point that far more people have cleared this tier than before, directly meaning more Healers than before.

Unless you mean to insinuate that PF cleared more times without Healers than ever before. Not impossible but its a stupid gamble to put money on plus I've yet to see a party recruiting like that. I can still understand if you want to make yourself feel better that your signature amounted to nothing in the long run. The only people that believe the Healer strike had any measureable affect are the ones who spent more time responding in that thread then clearing the content. PF doesn't care about your online protests.

[Aravell]

And yet I see no counter argument to the point that far more people have cleared this tier than before, directly meaning more Healers than before.

Unless you mean to insinuate that PF cleared more times without Healers than ever before. Not impossible but its a stupid gamble to put money on plus I've yet to see a party recruiting like that. I can still understand if you want to make yourself feel better that your signature amounted to nothing in the long run.

I just want to point out that even if 100 parties cleared, it doesn't mean that 200 healers cleared. There could also be helpers and people who clear on a different role.

In short, just because more people cleared this tier doesn't mean that there's more healers, you know?

[Supersnow845]

And yet I see no counter argument to the point that far more people have cleared this tier than before, directly meaning more Healers than before.

Unless you mean to insinuate that PF cleared more times without Healers than ever before. Not impossible but its a stupid gamble to put money on plus I've yet to see a party recruiting like that. I can still understand if you want to make yourself feel better that your signature amounted to nothing in the long run.

The current tier being completed by more people exasperates this issue if you stop and think about it for more than 5 seconds and this exasperation is entirely caused by squares incompetent balancing

Let’s use some numbers here

Tier 1)

100,000 healers
150,000 tanks
500,000 DPS

difficulty of tier- hard meaning only 20,000 parties cleared

Number of jobs that cleared

40,000 healers
40,000 tanks
80,000 DPS

Where shortage

Tier 2)

100,000 healers
150,000 tanks
500,000 DPS

Difficulty of tier- easy because square can’t balance pictomancer meaning 60,000 parties had the potential to clear

Number of jobs that cleared

100,000 healers (20,000 shortage)
120,000 tanks
240,000 DPS

Shortage

A tier being easy as hell because square can’t balance PCT reveals a shortage that’s always been there it’s just more noticeable because more people WANT to clear

and think whatever you want about my signature, square is actively losing my money over time because of this fiasco. I’ve cancelled the subscription of my second account which paid the normal subscription cost (my main is legacy) and I’ve stopped my old habit of constantly buying glams off the mogstation when I need more glams. So square has actively lost close to 40 AUD from me a month because of this debacle, so I’d consider that a success on my part, with that I can go buy a nice new speedo to sit on the beach and not play this game