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    PyurBlue's Avatar
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    Saphir Amariyo
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    Brynhildr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia View Post
    Then call the roulette "Modified Leveling dungeon" roulette, and make the modifier random I guess (similar to the evil floors of potd).
    A higher difficulty roulette might work. I'm not sure if I'd want to see randomized modifiers. The roulette might be at a fixed difficulty and the modifiers could be edited for unrestricted party. People do run MINE or atypical party compositions for fun so I can see the modifiers being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gurgeh View Post
    It is a fact that action rationing is why so many people like me don't know and can't be bothered to learn rotations at all for 14/16 of jobs. There is no point. It's futile.
    Sync in combination with roulette is really bad for learning jobs. As you go higher and higher, it becomes less likely that even get to use your latest skills and you have to be ready for 10-20 different playstyles at random depending on how you get synced.
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    Nero Tsukimi
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    Zalera
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    the only reason it feel worst as it goes it's because they keep gutting job to make them so simple it's braindead they removed so many skills that are still coded in the game! squadron have them and we should have kept them in my book and then get upgrade and stronger version as the expension want on with like one or two more skills
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    Allie Millfleurx
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    Coeurl
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    Leveling kits have had issues for years now, but it wasn't until ShB that I truly felt the pain of the buchered kits alongside said leveling kit placement.

    DRK not having Stalwart Soul and Dark Missionary earlier really hurt the overall leveling experience when compared to GNB/WAR back in ShB. I know this was fixed later, but not matching the leveling kits on release was a terribad oversight
    Blood Weapon not being the first skill you learn at 30 alongside Flood of Darkness makes the builder-spender feel awkward for those first 5 levels and it makes playing DRK a slog
    this doesn't even include the lack of an early TBN (bring shadowskin back!) or fact that Oblation in its current iteration is a lv 20 skill at best.

    SCH getting their Aetherflow/ED moved from lv 15 to lv 45 was a huge mistake, as the job is now lacking crucial damage and mana generation at those levels where it can only rely on Adloq and a non-targetable embrace
    My girl Selene who carried me through ARR is gone but not forgotten, and switching between fairies depending on the content was another fun strategy point that we lost. everyone knows about Bane/Shadowflare at this point too


    the criminally underused trait system could help fix the leveling kit issue. they already use it to transform our lower lvl skills into higher lv ones, but for some reason they refuse to expand on it and instead give us these "Melee Mastery" junk traits?
    like why do we gain those "new" healer attacks like AST Oracle at lv 92 and not in the 30s or even 40s...but PLD gets their Goring Blade at lv 52? (this change was DOGWATER, give me my combos back!)
    they could easily make all of those "melee/magic Mastery" traits redundant if they just let us build more resource or gave us our attacks at lower levels. maybe even return buffs to their former glory (i miss 20% Litany, made the long cooldown feel worth)


    I could go further, but the point is that if the devs intend on making a "return to harder content"
    then most, if not all jobs, NEED to have their kits re-evaluated and skills NEED to be redistributed
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    I really don’t get what problem square had with aetherdam

    It was literally the easiest slam dunk of a trait that made low level SCH more interesting without doing literally anything on their part because it already existed

    It’s like they actively try to make the low levels worse when they redo jobs
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Ash Primordial
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    Phoenix
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    Paladin Lv 90
    You gonna get ff14 mobile, you wont get more skills again. You probably get less.
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    Nero Tsukimi
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    Zalera
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    you know having a full kit while synced would damage the game no matter what happen even if you lower the potency you are still breaking the game and most of you refuse to see that and do rather damage a sprout experience with massive burst over a decent experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails View Post
    you know having a full kit while synced would damage the game no matter what happen even if you lower the potency you are still breaking the game and most of you refuse to see that and do rather damage a sprout experience with massive burst over a decent experience.
    Dungeons are literally nothing like what they were when they were current

    Breaking them “more” to make them somewhat interesting at level 100 isn’t worse than how badly we currently break them with our pathetic sub 80 kits

    We fill the sprouts queues there should be consideration the other way as well
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Dungeons are literally nothing like what they were when they were current

    Breaking them “more” to make them somewhat interesting at level 100 isn’t worse than how badly we currently break them with our pathetic sub 80 kits

    We fill the sprouts queues there should be consideration the other way as well
    the best way things could be done is giving all the skills as you LV up to 50 then you get the upgrade of the skills then it would give you all the thing but then they will have to rework the old content.


    Do you que willingly? I do think you do so you kinda choose to do that because if you do a roulette and everyone is a sprout no matter what happen you want to melt everything faster. Also remind yourself this the sprout will see you all those massive skills and everything and will feel useless.


    you pay a sub yes but you also play a multiplayer game so I am sorry but if you sync down you should lose all the skill to not discourage sprout player because if you choose to help someone sync down doing extreme no matter what they do you will always be better because you have the full kit while they don't.


    Most people doesn't see the bigger picture and only what they desire yes it is annoying but it is for balance.
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    Saphir Amariyo
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    Brynhildr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails View Post
    I do think you do so you kinda choose to do that because if you do a roulette and everyone is a sprout no matter what happen you want to melt everything faster.
    It's not about being faster. It's about not falling asleep. Nothing will go faster if a level 100 is synced to do level 15 amounts of damage.

    Also remind yourself this the sprout will see you all those massive skills and everything and will feel useless.
    When I was new all the flashy effects of other players didn't mean anything to me. I had no idea what they were doing and I had no way of knowing how much I was contributing, so I don't feel like this will be a common experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PyurBlue View Post
    It's not about being faster. It's about not falling asleep. Nothing will go faster if a level 100 is synced to do level 15 amounts of damage.


    When I was new all the flashy effects of other players didn't mean anything to me. I had no idea what they were doing and I had no way of knowing how much I was contributing, so I don't feel like this will be a common experience.
    you only see the roulette side thing extreme and everything else is afflicted by such but again people doesn't see the bigger picture
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