Creative Studio 3 is working on multiple projects at once.

[Lazariah]

"That was never in their plans. They did not have staff assigned to create it or time budgeted for it.

It was a small group of players who decided that visible headgear was mandatory and to please them, related tasks have to be rushed or put on the back burner like the graphical update since those tasks are going to be using some of the same team members."

A small group of players? No. That's just a blatant lie, and I am not going to argue with you about it.

But the devs were wrong to make a race without the same functions available as the rest of the races, plain and simple. If they had done ANY market research or taken in player feedback about it they would have found that the amount of people who would not want that limitation OVERWHELMING. But they didn't do their homework. It's something I've notice a lot of game companies not doing these days and it's really sad to see things blow up in their face whne it was really predictable what would happen.

[LittleArrow]

"That was never in their plans. They did not have staff assigned to create it or time budgeted for it.

It was a small group of players who decided that visible headgear was mandatory and to please them, related tasks have to be rushed or put on the back burner like the graphical update since those tasks are going to be using some of the same team members."

A small group of players? No. That's just a blatant lie, and I am not going to argue with you about it.

But the devs were wrong to make a race without the same functions available as the rest of the races, plain and simple. If they had done ANY market research or taken in player feedback about it they would have found that the amount of people who would not want that limitation OVERWHELMING. But they didn't do their homework. It's something I've notice a lot of game companies not doing these days and it's really sad to see things blow up in their face whne it was really predictable what would happen.

Totally agree

Let's also just ignore the fact that Yoshi heavily criticized this sort of development when he took over 1.x and saw that the Miqote, Roegadyn, and Highlanders also weren't finished with having only one gender. Let's just ignore that Yoshi himself said it wasn't acceptable to cut corners on development and the fans deserved to have a full game, but you know, whatever I guess... we just forget and don't hold good ol' Yoshi to what he's said before.

[Galvuu]

Totally agree

Let's also just ignore the fact that Yoshi heavily criticized this sort of development when he took over 1.x and saw that the Miqote, Roegadyn, and Highlanders also weren't finished with having only one gender. Let's just ignore that Yoshi himself said it wasn't acceptable to cut corners on development and the fans deserved to have a full game, but you know, whatever I guess... we just forget and don't hold good ol' Yoshi to what he's said before.

Adding to this, I wish this game picked a damn lane.
Sometimes I see the poor state of job design and encounter balance justified as "raiders are not the main target audience".
But if it's more casual people/people who rp/people who glam/etc, then having two very incomplete races (not even mentioning the hideous rigging on female Hrothgar shoulders and whatnot) is a huge issue.
It's like everyone loses with XIV lately. I was playing on a Viera alt I made a while ago today (and never bothered playing) since I need another alt at 100 to help friends clearing Savage, and I was trying a random cute witch hat and took me a solid 15s to realize that the reason why the gear preview "wasn't working" was because Viera have no hats. Time to use my free Fantasia, won't catch me playing without my cute witch hat.

[Avoidy]

Adding to this, I wish this game picked a damn lane.
Sometimes I see the poor state of job design and encounter balance justified as "raiders are not the main target audience".
But if it's more casual people/people who rp/people who glam/etc, then having two very incomplete races (not even mentioning the hideous rigging on female Hrothgar shoulders and whatnot) is a huge issue.
It's like everyone loses with XIV lately. I was playing on a Viera alt I made a while ago today (and never bothered playing) since I need another alt at 100 to help friends clearing Savage, and I was trying a random cute witch hat and took me a solid 15s to realize that the reason why the gear preview "wasn't working" was because Viera have no hats. Time to use my free Fantasia, won't catch me playing without my cute witch hat.

This is indeed the funniest/saddest thing lately to me as well. If you want to make the argument that raiders are the ones this game is designed for, then it's a hard argument to make because raiders basically get 4 encounters to run once a week and that's it. But if you wanna say casuals are the primary audience, well, that's another tough argument to make because housing blows (never enough space, increases to housing limits "soon", borderline impossible to even get a house on certain servers, limited and unknown number of people allowed inside), casual content lacks replayability, the msq was a slog, the quests are mostly unvoiced, there's barely a reason to go out in the open world, FATEs are so few and repeat so often that you start to feel the monotony after 30 minutes in a single zone, there hasn't been a haircut, glam or mount that I've really truly wanted in years, and the market's perpetually screwed unless you get in on the literal first day that new content drops.

I genuinely don't know who this game is for right now.

[Jojoya]

A small group of players? No. That's just a blatant lie, and I am not going to argue with you about it.

It is not a lie. It is limited to some of the players who play Viera and Hrothgar.

What was the point of pushing the developers to add a race to the game that has unique head features if all you wanted to do was turn around and hide those features under headgear?

Have a little pride in the choice you made and show those features off instead.

[Nebelheim]

It is not a lie. It is limited to some of the players who play Viera and Hrothgar.

What was the point of pushing the developers to add a race to the game that has unique head features if all you wanted to do was turn around and hide those features under headgear?

Have a little pride in the choice you made and show those features off instead.

Viera and hrothgar are a feature of a game and they shouldn't be as limited as they are considering both races are considered to be full features of the game. Why should us hrothgar and viera players go without hats and not be able to use every hairstyle that's in the game. I don't get why people come up with so much excuses of why hrothgar and viera are so limited and think they should remain limited because supposedly "only a small portion of the players play those races" So we apparently don't have pride in playing the race we choose because we want more character customization and to have as much features as the other races. I don't see having lack of features the other races have as a benefit to players or wanting more hats and hairstyles as lacking pride.

[ronibosch]

It is not a lie. It is limited to some of the players who play Viera and Hrothgar.

What was the point of pushing the developers to add a race to the game that has unique head features if all you wanted to do was turn around and hide those features under headgear?

Have a little pride in the choice you made and show those features off instead.

The developers aren't being pushed to do anything they don't want to. I don't understand this argument that makes it seem like the customers are being selfish and overbearing for wanting two prominent races to have headgear. I'm sorry, but if I'm paying a monthly fee for a game I genuinely care about, I'm going to make a ruckus about something that affects me as a Viera/Hroth player.

(By the way, Hrothgar was Yoshi P's idea. He wanted a playable beast race. It was Viera that were asked for by the playerbase.) Thanks for the correction, LittleArrow!

Also, what do you have to say for the cash shop outfits that have headgear that doesn't appear on Viera and Hrothgar? Even if you want to make excuses for the devs, wouldn't you agree that paying additional real-life money for an incomplete outfit is absolutely ridiculous? I shouldn't have to use a Fantasia to have access to headgear I paid for.

[LittleArrow]

(By the way, Hrothgar was Yoshi P's idea. He wanted a playable beast race. It was Viera that were asked for by the playerbase.)

To go even deeper, this isn't the case either. Back in 1.x when Yoshi took over he sent us 1.x players a survey on the races WE wanted prioritized by the dev team. Of course the first set was to complete the missing genders which he commented on being a priority for him as well. The second highest voted race was Lupine, which he commented he knew he skewed b/c he put the example of Fran - we have been asking for Vieras for over 10yrs. He's known we've wanted Viera since 1.x in the style of Fran.

ANYONE arguing that this is too much for the dev team or we're asking too much has NO idea about the history of this game or the goals YOSHI HIMSELF SET FOR HIS TEAM AND EXPECTATIONS HE SET FOR US THE PLAYERS. The other top contenders were a beastial race and third was mixed races (half elezen half hyur etc). The results of added races is completely exemplified in the first races they added; Au'ra (this was supposed to be the beast race, but the dev team admitted in a fanfest I believe that the design got neutered and it didn't meet their expectation of 'beast' race - thus Hrothgar later) and Hilda's appearance (half elezen race).

[ronibosch]

To go even deeper, this isn't the case either. Back in 1.x when Yoshi took over he sent us 1.x players a survey on the race (STILL TYPING, ACCIDENTAL POST)

Oh, wow! So it goes even earlier than ShB. I need to look more into Yoshi P's 1.x days. The more you know!

[LittleArrow]

Oh, wow! So it goes even earlier than ShB. I need to look more into Yoshi P's 1.x days. The more you know!

Sorry I accidentally posted too early, here's the full history:

To go even deeper, this isn't the case either. Back in 1.x when Yoshi took over he sent us 1.x players a survey on the races WE wanted prioritized by the dev team. Of course the first set was to complete the missing genders which he commented on being a priority for him as well. The second highest voted race was Lupine, which he commented he knew he skewed b/c he put the example of Fran - we have been asking for Vieras for over 10yrs. He's known we've wanted Viera since 1.x in the style of Fran.

ANYONE arguing that this is too much for the dev team or we're asking too much has NO idea about the history of this game or the goals YOSHI HIMSELF SET FOR HIS TEAM AND EXPECTATIONS HE SET FOR US THE PLAYERS. The other top contenders were a beastial race and third was mixed races (half elezen half hyur etc). The results of added races is completely exemplified in the first races they added; Au'ra (this was supposed to be the beast race, but the dev team admitted in a fanfest I believe that the design got neutered and it didn't meet their expectation of 'beast' race - thus Hrothgar later) and Hilda's appearance (half elezen race).