Quote Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch View Post
Besides, after Myths of the Realm I thought we were all rather sick of "Actually, Ancients!" being deployed to fill in the blanks of other, more interesting characters/lore figures.
This is largely unrelated, but yeah, even Ancient fans have seemed to consider that one a step too far in retrospect. And while I agree that it's definitely an example of them overusing the note, part of me maybe wonders if the communal rejection of that one isn't actually because of Ancient overuse. Because I personally thought the overdoing was the short story that was literally nothing but Ancient fanservice, but people seemed to like that one. And this is far from the only person that I've seen try to make some part of Dawntrail into some form of Ancient Time (usually around some member of the Ascians/Convocation) even after its release, this is just perhaps the most poorly-justified one.

I worry if maybe 'the Twelve are Venat's crew' starting to be considered the bad note isn't actually because of 'it was really Ancients' for a lot of people, but because it was the wrong Ancients, not the lineup people are invested in. That maybe if we replaced Elygios with Pashtarot doing an 'it was me all along, here's my tragic backstory' dance a lot of those people would actually be completely fine.