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    What is going on with everyone here on this forum? sheesh, Yoshi-P explicitly stated not to attack the voice actress, yet many of you continue to ignore that and persist in attacking her, as evident in this very thread. Sena has every right to defend herself and express her personal views. Nothing she has said has negatively impacted the company her thoughts are her own. hell even Bakool Ja Ja’s voice actor was attacked too when he simply requested a print with Bakool Ja Ja Baby Girl.

    It’s no secret that these forums have their issues, and the moderation team is overwhelmed with the toxic behavior of some users particularly the TERFs and bullies. Frankly, many of you belong on 4chan with your incessant complaining
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    Quote Originally Posted by lolnah View Post
    Wow 20 pages of people throwing tantrums because Yoshida asked people to stop harrassing a voice actor. No wonder GMs stay far away from this forum.
    People don't like being accused of "attacking" others when what they're actually doing is criticizing the performance and actions of someone. They're fighting against that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guntank81 View Post
    What is going on with everyone here on this forum? sheesh, Yoshi-P explicitly stated not to attack the voice actress, yet many of you continue to ignore that and persist in attacking her, as evident in this very thread.
    Case in point. Sena isn't being "attacked". Sena is not a "victim" as badly as they want to be. Criticism is not an "attack", no matter how badly you want to perceive it as such.
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    Last edited by Vensaval; 09-06-2024 at 12:30 AM.
    Howdy o/

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  4. #193
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vensaval View Post
    People don't like being accused of "attacking" others when what they're actually doing is criticizing the performance and actions of someone. They're fighting against that.
    Criticizing a voie actor is fine. However, you should take a quick glance at this thread and tell me if people are criticizing her in good faith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willemdarke View Post
    I'm sorry, I worded my post incorrectly. Should have been:

    "Please insert any other group of people (who have not killed dozens of millions of people and commited numerous other unspeakable crimes besides) in the above slogan and try to justify how this is an acceptable, normal behaviour."

    (And as much as I dislike transphobes, that's like comparing an annoying mosquito to the Death Star, so kind of not on the same scale.)
    This argument is really funny. "replace word with different word and see how bad it is now". Yes, that's how words work.
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  6. #195
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    Quote Originally Posted by lolnah View Post
    Criticizing a voie actor is fine. However, you should take a quick glance at this thread and tell me if people are criticizing her in good faith.
    Oh, believe me. I've gone through this thread and similar ones. Read over 200 pages total on this subject alone in these threads.

    Yes. They are criticizing Sena in good faith. If you don't like it, then too bad.
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    Howdy o/

  7. #196
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antharaes View Post
    It's actually telling, that Yoshi P comes with this now. The "attacks" have been going on since Dawntrail came out. So what is his reasoning for coming with this at this point? And please do me a favor, I am not transphobic, nor am I a bigot, racists or any kind of crap you want to throw at me, the character Wuk sucks and the VA is just a horrible person.
    Because he finally got the chance to talk about it. The Attacks on Sena/Wuk have escalated to the point where Yoshi had to step in. People can dislike a character and a va, and be respectful about it. But many people have been very bigoted and transphobic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vensaval View Post
    People don't like being accused of "attacking" others when what they're actually doing is criticizing the performance and actions of someone. They're fighting against that.
    And people will also never tire of arguing against people who pretend that everyone else is only doing what they are doing. Does your internal dialogue go like this? "I didn't personally attack this person, so nobody has ever attacked this person. There is no room in my mind for the possibility that people more extreme than me who actually do these things do exist, so I will act as if when other people are saying that some people are making such attacks, must be talking about ME."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guntank81 View Post
    What is going on with everyone here on this forum? sheesh, Yoshi-P explicitly stated not to attack the voice actress, yet many of you continue to ignore that and persist in attacking her, as evident in this very thread. Sena has every right to defend herself and express her personal views. Nothing she has said has negatively impacted the company her thoughts are her own.
    And we have every right to defend ourselves. I don't like it, when people are calling me a transphobe, bigot or a racist, just because I critique a persons performance. Or I don't agree with certain points of view, from that same person. She ruined a good thing we paid a lot of money for. So as a customer it is my right to complain, without being called names, just because this person insists on taking our critique personal.
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    Don't look back, that's not the way you're going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vensaval View Post
    People don't like being accused of "attacking" others when what they're actually doing is criticizing the performance and actions of someone. They're fighting against that.



    Case in point. Sena isn't being "attacked". Sena is not a "victim" as badly as they want to be. Criticism is not an "attack", no matter how badly you want to perceive it as such.
    People telling her "A Man cannot voice Wuk" "You took jobs from CIS women" Are attacks. These attacks against her are constant and while there has been proper criticism towards her acting in certain scenes, the amount of hate and vitriol overshadows it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vensaval View Post
    Oh, believe me. I've gone through this thread and similar ones. Read over 200 pages total on this subject alone in these threads.

    Yes. They are criticizing Sena in good faith. If you don't like it, then too bad.
    Reading 200 pages of this subject alone is crazy. Anyway, are they really? Because calling her a "he" and slinging around phrases like "rainbow mafia" doesn't seem to be in good faith to me.
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