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  1. #111
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    Thurmnmurmn's Avatar
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    Bunbun Thurm
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    Lamia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    There is a person unironically going around in this thread going

    “That’s a man of course they were going to fail playing a woman” and
    “Yoshi p sold out to the sick woke mob shoving these disgusting people down our throats”

    That’s not “misconstrued critisim from the woke mob” as you people put it, that’s blatant transphobia and should be called out for how disgusting it is
    So just report it and move on.
    At this point we've seen thousand of pages from multiple threads going back and forth with this. The more people try to "call out", the more arguing occurs. It gives the appearance of dismissing valid criticism and also invites actual transphobs to jump in. It's actually counter productive to your point of seeing less transphobia.
    Even if mods don't interact with us much here, they still delete posts quite often. No need to go social justice warrior mode everytime you see a post you don't like. Specially when it's only one or two people in the thread.
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  2. #112
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    Yes, it's just a silly inoffensive edgy shirt.
    No we must cancel her for it! /s
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

  3. #113
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    Amanda Hallowheart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    No we must cancel her for it! /s
    If it was only the shirt ? Absolutely not

    Add that to all the anti-"cis" and anti white men stuff from her twitter, and yeah it becomes a problem.

    Stop playing silly and try and pretend this is all about the shirt.
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  4. #114
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    Rueby's Avatar
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    Vera Nova
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZXN View Post
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    I see, thank you for this.

    I can get behind SAG-AFTRA since I personally believe artists should be protected from big corporations using AI to cannibalize their work. I understand the frustration and I feel like friction is inevitable in situations like that...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shibi View Post
    ....
    Seems fair...I guess. As long as they knew what they're getting into and are free to choose. Thank you so much for this.
    I honestly thought it was in line with chud which is a word I never heard of until...very recently. It's so nice to be informed, especially by different people since it's interesting to see their input on the matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
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    I can understand where you're coming from.
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    Last edited by Rueby; 09-04-2024 at 09:48 PM. Reason: quoting is hard

  5. #115
    Player LibitIncarne's Avatar
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    Libitina Incarne
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    Phantom
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    There is definitely an element that predates her VA being controversial on twitter. Graha’s VA is gay and that never comes up in conversation (hell almost anyone with a male WOL thinks graha is gay). But wuk lamat’s VA was almost immediately attacked for being trans when she was revealed (this goes as far back as people not liking her performance in 6.55 for whatever reasons). This has only gotten worse with the problems of DT’s writing around wuk which with a few exceptions (SPHEEEEEEENE) aren’t really the VA’s fault, yet she cops the brunt of the criticism for both wuk’s controversial story design and then random people come in and sling some transphobia
    Counterpoint:
    Graha's VA doesn't call for people who aren't part of a group to be deplatformed because they were chosen to voice act for a character who is part of a group.
    As far as I know, Wuk Lamat isn't canonically trans so...

    Also, Wuk Lamat's voice acting has been heavily messed with in post-production in an attempt to make her sound less masculine, hence why SPHEEEENE sounds so bad. Someone who knows a lot more about audio enhancement than me has gone into detail on this offsite.
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  6. #116
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    Morphiana's Avatar
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    Morphiana Blackheart
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    Balmung
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    Gladiator Lv 100
    People are so upset with Wuk Lamat's VA performance when they are only a symptom, not the cause. That character will be gone soon enough just like Lyse, but we will be stuck with the root of the problem after still - The VA studio and SE.

    Baldur's Gate 3's VAs spoke on how the VA industry will often give you a script with no context and ask you to do the voice lines for it. So the VA won't know how much emotion or what emotion should be portrayed in that moment. It is the VA studio's job with their director to either provide context or direct them to the appropriate emotion for the scene in question. The BG3 VAs said their studio was fantastic at providing context then following up with guidance.

    So why does this matter? The VAs in Dawntrail all had moments with flat lines. It is just more noticeable with Wuk Lamat as that character is 75% of the script. These issues of the VA quality declining were beginning to pop up in Endwalker too, starting with the kid who ran up the Vrtra and sounded like a granny who had smoked too much all their life.

    SE needs to put pressure on the English VA studio to give the VAs more support be it through context or if they can't give that to the VAs then direction from someone who can have that context and has experience bringing out the best in VAs.

    If you're interested in the Q&A for the Baldur's Gate 3 VAs you can find it linked below, it gives a lot of insight to how a good VA studio will work with their actors vs the industry average which isn't great: https://youtu.be/DOKUm5XkC54?si=V6OGcu1SRu8KK8JE
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  7. #117
    Player LibitIncarne's Avatar
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    Libitina Incarne
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    Quote Originally Posted by IvoryHawk View Post
    No, she's too busy calling other VA's "scabs" for accepting VA jobs while she goes on strike, apparently she's not doing anything till the strike succeeds, so who knows what that means for wuk.
    She's currently playing the game for once. Her character is Here, if you're curious. She hasn't cleared a single high-end fight when it was current in her 10 years of playing the game.
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  8. #118
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Literally who cares about this when they screwed up Savage balancing beyond recognition, released a dogwater MSQ, and jobs are even more braindead than ever, so braindead they needed to nerf them 3 days into xpac launch
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  9. #119
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    Zakuyia Shizyuie
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    Zalera
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf_Necros View Post
    I'm not at all surprised that he had to come out and say this, I swear people just foam at the mouth whenever a member of the lgbt+ community is involved.
    To be fair lgbtq or not your action reflect the company u work for. When ur telling ppl they are racist for not liking the song smile.... yeah it doesn't look good. And with the recent events as of late I mean yeah........ anyway thats my 2 cents
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    You open the door theres nothing in sight. You close the door wondering whats in sight. But lets be honest its probably gonna just let you down.

  10. #120
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    Absenthine Starfrost
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    Faerie
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    I'm actually interested as to why this was said in an article not everyone is going to read. Not everyone is terminally online like some of us are, and tbh I wouldn't have even known this article existed if not for the fact my phone's browser pushed the article up for me.
    I am on the side of "don't harass her" (though I don't condone some of her tweets, particularly the Smile one), however if he really wants people to stop he needs to post a Lodestone article about it or say something at the next Live Letter (though it being in front of Japanese people at Tokyo Game Show, I doubt that option, unless something else happens between now and then.)
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