FF14 director Yoshida asks fans not to “attack” Wuk Lamat actress

[lolnah]

Wow 20 pages of people throwing tantrums because Yoshida asked people to stop harrassing a voice actor. No wonder GMs stay far away from this forum.

[Vensaval]

Wow 20 pages of people throwing tantrums because Yoshida asked people to stop harrassing a voice actor. No wonder GMs stay far away from this forum.

People don't like being accused of "attacking" others when what they're actually doing is criticizing the performance and actions of someone. They're fighting against that.

What is going on with everyone here on this forum? sheesh, Yoshi-P explicitly stated not to attack the voice actress, yet many of you continue to ignore that and persist in attacking her, as evident in this very thread.

Case in point. Sena isn't being "attacked". Sena is not a "victim" as badly as they want to be. Criticism is not an "attack", no matter how badly you want to perceive it as such.

[lolnah]

People don't like being accused of "attacking" others when what they're actually doing is criticizing the performance and actions of someone. They're fighting against that.

Criticizing a voie actor is fine. However, you should take a quick glance at this thread and tell me if people are criticizing her in good faith.

[Vensaval]

Criticizing a voie actor is fine. However, you should take a quick glance at this thread and tell me if people are criticizing her in good faith.

Oh, believe me. I've gone through this thread and similar ones. Read over 200 pages total on this subject alone in these threads.

Yes. They are criticizing Sena in good faith. If you don't like it, then too bad.

[lolnah]

Oh, believe me. I've gone through this thread and similar ones. Read over 200 pages total on this subject alone in these threads.

Yes. They are criticizing Sena in good faith. If you don't like it, then too bad.

Reading 200 pages of this subject alone is crazy. Anyway, are they really? Because calling her a "he" and slinging around phrases like "rainbow mafia" doesn't seem to be in good faith to me.

[ovIm]

People telling her "A Man cannot voice Wuk" "You took jobs from CIS women" Are attacks. These attacks against her are constant and while there has been proper criticism towards her acting in certain scenes, the amount of hate and vitriol overshadows it.

Reading 200 pages of this subject alone is crazy. Anyway, are they really? Because calling her a "he" and slinging around phrases like "rainbow mafia" doesn't seem to be in good faith to me.

I do agree that people that do the above do not argument in good faith. Still, actually reading the threads, people doing the above (or similar) are noticeably in the minority. Most criticism I have seen was factual and not derogatory, or otherwise demeaning to Sena Bryer as a person, and it definitely does not help you or the LGBTQ Community to not separate the actual criticism from the assholes and lumping them all together.

[Willemdarke]

I do agree that people that do the above do not argument in good faith. Still, actually reading the threads, people doing the above (or similar) are noticeably in the minority. Most criticism I have seen was factual and not accusatory, derogatory, or otherwise demeaning to Sena Bryer as a person, and it definitely does not help you or the LGBTQ Community to not separate the actual criticism from the assholes and lumping them all together.

This.
I feel quite strongly about this topic, so I've been following the discussion. The people maliciously misgendering her are absolutely the minority.

The majority of people, especially in the beginning, had absolutely valid and factual critiques, mostly aimed at a subpar vocal performance that detracted from an already subpar product. At this point, however, more and more people have started using a "tit for tat" rhetoric to illustrate the absolute hypocrisy of Sena and her defenders' double standards - especially when she literally insults us, the FF14 community, who pay for this product. This doesn't make her critics transphobes btw.

Sena is very much giving me s5 Untucked Serena Chacha vibes (if you know, you know) and I don't want someone with that sort of behaviour to represent me.

[Eyrilona]

People don't like being accused of "attacking" others when what they're actually doing is criticizing the performance and actions of someone. They're fighting against that.

And people will also never tire of arguing against people who pretend that everyone else is only doing what they are doing. Does your internal dialogue go like this? "I didn't personally attack this person, so nobody has ever attacked this person. There is no room in my mind for the possibility that people more extreme than me who actually do these things do exist, so I will act as if when other people are saying that some people are making such attacks, must be talking about ME."

[Vensaval]

And people will also never tire of arguing against people who pretend that everyone else is only doing what they are doing. Does your internal dialogue go like this? "I didn't personally attack this person, so nobody has ever attacked this person. There is no room in my mind for the possibility that people more extreme than me who actually do these things do exist, so I will act as if when other people are saying that some people are making such attacks, must be talking about ME."

Do you believe that most people are genuinely attacking Sena or a small minority that pretty much every single online personality has to deal with? Because of course there's going to be those that do. The internet is the internet.

However, if your going to claim that someone is being attacked, it better be on a larger scale than a few trolls or fools on Twitter. It better be genuine harassment. If you're not correct in your claim, it will be called out.

[Vensaval]

Reading 200 pages of this subject alone is crazy. Anyway, are they really? Because calling her a "he" and slinging around phrases like "rainbow mafia" doesn't seem to be in good faith to me.

Sena uses their identity as a shield against and everyone knows it, but does not going along with the pronoun thing negate any arguments they make against the person themselves? It really doesn't. Not every agrees with the gender ideology thing and I'm probably going to have this as my only response to that in this thread because I've already gone down that road. It's not on topic and is a worthless fight to make against people who don't seem to understand that we simply don't agree.