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    Why exactly do Galvanize and E. Diagnosis overwrite each other?

    AST and WHM regens can both persist at the same time, and even non-core healer shields like Divine Benison and The Spire can exist on top of other shields, including Galvanize and E. Diagnosis. Why exactly do these two abilities overwrite each other?

    This was even the case back before SGE, when AST sects were still a thing. Nocturnal Sect's Aspected Benefic overwrote Galvanize and vice versa.

    Is there some kind of balance reason for this that I'm too stupid to understand? Because it just makes it feel bad whenever you queue into a PUG as a shield healer and find out that you're co-healer is also a shield healer.
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    Ogru Magnataraxia
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    If I speak at one constant volume
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    I suspect, rather than balance reasons, it's mechanical. That functionally Adlo and E.Diag are the same thing with a different skin and so short of writing new code to differentiate the two abilities it's impossible to stack them. That would allow for legitimate accusations of laziness on the part of the dev team but they get enough of those as is.

    It is a shame though that the two shield healers conflict with one another, I would like if they changed it so that when a SCH/SGE applies a shield over an existing one it checks instead against the crit shield rather than the base one, that way at least it's semi-deconflicted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    I suspect, rather than balance reasons, it's mechanical. That functionally Adlo and E.Diag are the same thing with a different skin and so short of writing new code to differentiate the two abilities it's impossible to stack them. That would allow for legitimate accusations of laziness on the part of the dev team but they get enough of those as is.

    It is a shame though that the two shield healers conflict with one another, I would like if they changed it so that when a SCH/SGE applies a shield over an existing one it checks instead against the crit shield rather than the base one, that way at least it's semi-deconflicted.
    Honestly, I just wish we could swap jobs within roles. If I'm queued as a SGE and my Co-healer is another SGE or SCH, I'd have no problem with swapping to WHM.
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    Honestly, I just wish we could swap jobs within roles. If I'm queued as a SGE and my Co-healer is another SGE or SCH, I'd have no problem with swapping to WHM.
    You're actually weakening your team by doing this. SGE+SCH is the strongest healer combo by far- and no serious raid healer GCDs unless you have downtime or your party dies without it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    I suspect, rather than balance reasons, it's mechanical. That functionally Adlo and E.Diag are the same thing with a different skin and so short of writing new code to differentiate the two abilities it's impossible to stack them. That would allow for legitimate accusations of laziness on the part of the dev team but they get enough of those as is.
    Why would this be the case? we have a lot of objectively identical buffs that stack, it doesn't matter if there are 6 WHM in an Alliance Raid, all of them will be able to apply their own Aero/Dia DoT freely, or double Medica/Regen buffs, and those are completely identical, not just in functionality, unlike Adlo and E.Diag, so on, it's very clear that it's a balance choice which kinds of buffs do or don't stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    I suspect, rather than balance reasons, it's mechanical. That functionally Adlo and E.Diag are the same thing with a different skin and so short of writing new code to differentiate the two abilities it's impossible to stack them. That would allow for legitimate accusations of laziness on the part of the dev team but they get enough of those as is.

    It is a shame though that the two shield healers conflict with one another, I would like if they changed it so that when a SCH/SGE applies a shield over an existing one it checks instead against the crit shield rather than the base one, that way at least it's semi-deconflicted.
    The fact that even after all this time they still haven't made it so the bigger shield stays applied infuriates me. Nothing is more soul crushing than applying a mega-shield as SCH just for the SGE to obliterate it with a dinky baby shield, and the worst part is when I play SCH I end up paired with a SGE most of the time
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    Oscarlet Oirellain
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    My guess is because they think it will create too much mitigation in the game or make the combination of 2 shield healers overpowered. The problem with that, is it's already possible to stack lots of shield and mit jobs together and 100% absorb attacks. For example, PLD (Divine, Reprisal, Passage), WAR (Shake), SCH (Succor, Seraph, Sacred Soil, Fey Illumination, Expedient), SGE (Kerachole, Panhaima, Holos), MCH (Tactician, Dismantle), Addle, Feint.

    So maybe they were trying to avoid a situation but allowed for the situation anyway because of making the game easier over time with the above list of abilities that, I should point out, most of them weren't there in Heavensward, a time where we really struggled with mit, healing and vulns.
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    Ritsu Susanowa
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    Phoenix
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    Scholar Lv 91
    Double shield comps are already heavily meta for prog, having the shields stack would likely bypass a ton of otherwise tough mit checks that the devs didn't want.

    That or SGE and SCH are simply just class reskins for the most part, so the icons are a placebo effect and they're the same spell.

    It could be either.
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